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      11-01-2013, 05:11 AM   #45
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too soon, rear looks like a lexus.
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      11-01-2013, 06:01 AM   #46
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3 cyl and option package "no options" is an obvious choice for the most of German customers.
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      11-01-2013, 06:09 AM   #47
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What incredible extremes, a 3 pot oil sipper on one end and 600 hp at the other.
It's the same now from 518d 143 hp to M5 competition package 575hp.
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      11-01-2013, 06:49 AM   #48
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It's the same now from 518d 143 hp to M5 competition package 575hp.

so the "sad model" will be even more sad with only 3 cyl!

Why the hell someone should buy a 143hp 5er btw? Here it's 2000€ cheaper than a 520d, running costs are about the same but driving experience it's so bad on such car. Even the 520d it's slow for what i've seen, the car weight too much for that engine...
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      11-01-2013, 08:12 AM   #49
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No worries, by 2018 a significant number of us will be driving one or another flavor of Tesla, while others launch a 50km electric effective range dinosaurs...err...new cars..

As far as I can see, the era of the internal combustion is rapidly drawing to a close, and car makers will have to stop sniffing the gas fumes and seriously embrace the electric technology if they want to be relevant 10 years from now. 50 km effective range?! That's less than 35 miles. Chevy Volt had similar range back in 2010! I can think of another dominant market participant who did not adapt fast enough to changing market dynamics...of course, that is just one's opinion...

50 km? For a model going to be on the market 2017-2022 something? Are they joking?


I really like my current 5-series (F11). Only thing is that I really would like electrical drive so would love to see that in next gen 5'er.
But 500 km range is kind of minimum... 50 is just a joke.

I know other people look forward to an M5 etc. But one doesn't rule the other out.
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      11-01-2013, 08:36 AM   #50
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Can't wait for that 3-cylinder M5!!!
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      11-01-2013, 09:26 AM   #51
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Hope the next m5 will have a carbon fiber roof and shed about 300lbs...
According to AutoBild (see my post above), the next gen 5-series will have carbon and other light weight components.

The M5 will be 180kg lighter, or 400lbs (396lbs)

All just rumours at this point in time though...
Well that's even better! I think I'd go for awd at that point. With all this power it just barely gets it to the wheels as it is now, I can't imagine rear wheel drive with a significant increase in hp. AMG got it right, but M can do it better.
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Why would they be rumors?

2014 Cadillac CTS is almost 300lbs lighter than 2013 CTS. 2014 CTS-Sport is almost 400lbs lighter than 550. If Cadillac can shed weight with mix of alloy suspension components and aluminum, why not BMW? BMW should do better since they now have advanced carbon fiber composites as used in I series cars.

If BMW keeps building porky cars while everyone is going lighter, they will fail pure and simple. Either evolve or loose market share. Competitor offerings are much better now so the days of BMW being the only game in town are long gone.
It's a rumour because unlike the cars you mention which has a verified lighter weight. The M5 weight is just hearsay at the moment. It's not confirmed by BMW yet..

Of course it should be no problem to loose weight with new tech, and BMW can certainly achieve it. But I said it's a rumour, because it's not confirmed and the next gen are still many years away. It might even be a larger loss of weight...
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It's always going to be a love hate thing at first. But we all know whatever they design. We'll love It. I saw the new x5 in person and it's so nice.

I'm probably going to trade in for the new 550/M5 when it comes out. I like the back of the render.
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Too early, when I was checking the same magazine for the any clues on the F10 even few months before 1st pictures appeared the rendering by Autobild was based on the new 3 series just simply larger, I see the same logic applied here, they of course got it so wrong, the 5 should be different from the 3 series otherwise BMW is simply joining the ranks with Audi and the unique single design they have, with different sizes.
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as for the exterior look, there are going to be many variations to begin with. Whatever is the rendered pics are now, they will most likely not even look anything like this when the final production version is released.

Do want to see laser headlights on the next 5 series. Top that, Audi !!
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so the "sad model" will be even more sad with only 3 cyl!

Why the hell someone should buy a 143hp 5er btw? Here it's 2000€ cheaper than a 520d, running costs are about the same but driving experience it's so bad on such car. Even the 520d it's slow for what i've seen, the car weight too much for that engine...
The 0-100km/h time for the F10 520d is 8,1s. To put that in context, the E39 530d took 8.0s and the E39 525i took 8,1s...

The 520d is a very capable car and the engine doesn't really feel underpowered
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      11-01-2013, 04:58 PM   #57
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when were they never a fat heavy pig?

even the 3 is a fat heavy pig now.....there is no way your dream comes true!!

Are you talking about gt?

Heavy pig with huge hip
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First a turbo M, and now AWD??? If they seriously make an AWD M car I'm going to start flipping tables.
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First a turbo M, and now AWD??? If they seriously make an AWD M car I'm going to start flipping tables.
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The new M5 with 600 BHP and AWD sounds nice but I would rather they work on the e-diff, power delivery at higher RPM to achieve better traction and higher rev range.

M were never light but they were always beautifully balanced instruments that had very neutral handling charataristics. Understeer is good for the safety normal range cars but on M car it is frustrating.
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Honestly I don't see a lot more than mere speculation. Current 520d does 4.5l/100km and has 184hp, so I suppose that the next entry level four cylinder could easily do 4.0l/100km with circa 200hp. Pure electric 5er would be better than a hybrid, because it's simpler and lighter and anyway the 50km range in ev mode in 2020 is a bad joke. I truly hope that bmw keeps rear-wheel drive in its lower end models but honestly i'll buy a m235i as soon as i'm able to.
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First a turbo M, and now AWD??? If they seriously make an AWD M car I'm going to start flipping tables.
Haha I don't consider the X series real M cars. They are a product of BMW appealing to the market demand at the cost of tainting the image of their Motorsport heritage, and frankly, I can care less for these cars.

I'm talking about the cars that historically were the face of BMW Motorsport- the M5 and the M3. These cars were historically RWD and NA, and that's what separated them from everyone else that tried to compete with M in the sports car market.

I can forgive BMW for going FI for their M cars, although I'd never buy one, but it will be sad if BMW does decide to offer AWD M cars as it will just be purely for market expansion.
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Honestly I don't see a lot more than mere speculation. Current 520d does 4.5l/100km and has 184hp, so I suppose that the next entry level four cylinder could easily do 4.0l/100km with circa 200hp. Pure electric 5er would be better than a hybrid, because it's simpler and lighter and anyway the 50km range in ev mode in 2020 is a bad joke. I truly hope that bmw keeps rear-wheel drive in its lower end models but honestly i'll buy a m235i as soon as i'm able to.
Fingers crossed the new engine specs are right, they look powerful. I'm with you hoping the smaller BMWs remain rear drive.
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Autocar UK take on the 2017 5 series

Autocar UK has a much sleeker rendering, inspired by the Pininfarina Gran Lusso Concept car presented at this year's Villa d'Este...

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"We will also offer all standard models with entry-level electrification."
Wonder what that means. Time will tell...
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600hp is exotic territory!
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