Next generation BMW M5 (F90) prototype first sighting! Spy Photos, Videos, Info

N & M · 04-02-2017, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

From what I know M5 shares the same idea with the X5M and X6M as the Auto-Transmission with DKG features.

Economies of scale, standardisation, flip the same penny many times...

Shame I love the DCT and will miss it.

WWM3 · 04-02-2017, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by goj

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Originally Posted by ACZakka325i

X-drive only, ZF automatic tranny, and a refreshed S63?

Disappointed...........

Nothing about what you listed disappoints me. Especially the transmission. Why does this need a DCT?

I guess some prefer the DCT over the ZF? I've spent time with both in F30/F80 applications and I would take the DCT every time.

M3 Number 86 · 04-03-2017, 12:55 AM

Why so silent?

SYT_Shadow · 04-03-2017, 12:42 PM

My goodness the DCT loss is a huge issue

While Porsche has developed a 8 speed DCT, BMW M will move to the 8 speed? WTF!!!

There is a significant difference in feel between a DCT and a torque converter automatic. It's apparent in the first mile of driving a car.

It isn't as big a deal as loss of the NA engine, but still, it's significant.

The M5 has always been well received and even turbocharged it gave the Panamera a good run. DCT is a part of this.

What a fail. Seriously. Ugh

Hymiet · 04-03-2017, 07:07 PM

Why in gods name would BMW build an automatic M car??? That is just stupid! I wanted this car, but without DCT,I'm out. I'll just get another M3... lame!!!

Is it absolutely certain that DCT will not be an option?

phil_ · 04-04-2017, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hymiet

Why in gods name would BMW build an automatic M car??? That is just stupid! I wanted this car, but without DCT,I'm out. I'll just get another M3... lame!!!

Is it absolutely certain that DCT will not be an option?

Scott26 confirms it's an auto so it doesn't look good. Nothing official from BMW yet.

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

From what I know M5 shares the same idea with the X5M and X6M as the Auto-Transmission with DKG features.

http://g30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=485

WJMSprtXDrive · 04-04-2017, 08:13 AM

Hopefully BMW with its partners will engineer a great DCT(at least 8 gears) designed for xDrive applications able to handle 1200+ Horsepower and torque for the next generation ///M vehicles.
I was surprised and disappointed about the Auto transmission decision also. It just doesn't seem normal for the M5 to only have an auto!

That said, the ZF 8 speed is arguably the best auto available that can handle all that power in the xDrive. 0-60 and 1/4 mile times should be very fast and Tuners are going to have a great time with this car!

I would still buy the M5 because of the sum of amazing features and dynamics of the vehicle.

Bowser330 · 04-04-2017, 07:41 PM

One concern is the availability of upgrades for the ZF. The DCT has clutch upgrades but I can't find much for the ZF.

Paul-Bracq-BMW · 04-21-2017, 12:55 AM

Enjoy!

clbmw · 04-21-2017, 04:47 PM

This thing looks rapid and nimble especially considering its size/weight

Hymiet · 04-21-2017, 04:51 PM

Still depressed it's going to be a auto. Extremely lame!!!

SYT_Shadow · 04-21-2017, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hymiet

Still depressed it's going to be a auto. Extremely lame!!!

I also continue to be horrified

Lt1camaro · 04-21-2017, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I also continue to be horrified

Going from a ZF8 in my 435i to a 2013 M3 with the old gen DCT is a night and day difference. I would never go back to an auto ever again. The DCT is superior to the ZF in every single possible way and I honestly don't understand why BMW isn't going to put a dct in this car...

farns2345 · 04-21-2017, 06:04 PM

I thought the auto was confirmed weeks or months ago? Not sure why it's only now receiving complaints.

VanosKickedInYo · 04-21-2017, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lt1camaro

Going from a ZF8 in my 435i to a 2013 M3 with the old gen DCT is a night and day difference. I would never go back to an auto ever again. The DCT is superior to the ZF in every single possible way and I honestly don't understand why BMW isn't going to put a dct in this car...

DCT can't handle the torque... BMW hasn't vested a DCT that is able to handle 500WTQ+ from the factory.

m3less · 04-21-2017, 06:52 PM

It's such a big car...but seems to corner flat and the rear end looks to be moving around well upon entry as if it has 4-wheel steering.

BwoodBMW · 04-21-2017, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

Enjoy!

On the first video at the end of the 10th minute it looks like a new AMG wagon that is following the M around the track (at first I thought it was an RS6, not sure).... point is that it sounds a lot better than the M whatever the hell it is.

That said, proportions on the M look great. I'm very excited about this car.

The Automotive Enthusiast · 04-21-2017, 08:49 PM

I am liking the new exhaust note. Seems to have a much deeper tone.'

Stratus650 · 04-21-2017, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul-Bracq-BMW

Enjoy!

This thing is HEAVY

you can see how it throws its weight left and right in the corners

N & M · 04-22-2017, 04:35 AM

Autobox blues aside, it is going to Ben nice to get back behind the wheel of 600+ motor which will plant its power down when you burry the pedal.

Actually, no, BMW stop messing around and put DCT back on the menu. Enough compromises. The M5 is an icon and brand shaper and you should not go backwards on things poineered in the past.

Hymiet · 04-22-2017, 08:06 AM

Auto = lame

GLTSRY1905 · 04-22-2017, 08:41 AM

Still doesn't sound impressive imo... and no more dct?!? Wow

I'm convinced that BMW M is losing its ways.

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