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They’ll either sell the new ones like hotcakes and pronounce it a success or they won’t sell and they’ll announce the death of demand for executive sedans. They’ll never admit it isn’t a very engaging car.
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I am confident the new 5 is not selling well in the US, at least here in California which is one of the hottest BMW markets. Honestly that doesn’t make me happy. I would love to consider a new 5, I prefer sedans, but BMW has turned off a lot of us who have been loyal customers with an overpriced, lesser car that does not spark excitement. I have zero interest in the i5 and spending my time in the G60 forum justifying my poor range numbers and how I am saving the world from pollution. I saw this today and at least the Genesis G80 Magma Special has some pizzaz, even though they won’t sell it in the US. The Magma X Gran Berlinetta Concept is exciting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN2cBhxxjDw https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VkNoSMR9F-s
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US roads are much wider, the speed limits slower (I can't believe how slow it feels when I go "home"), and many people are (generally) not interested in the finer points of driving engagment. Heck, even on BMW forums there seem to be quite a few people more interested in the quality of their upholstery and stereo than driving dynamics, engagement, feedback, and the related components. I would argue that the G60 is exactly what most people want in the States, and that if you gave it better looks, it would be quite well liked. |
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Looking around at other cars has sharpened my eye on my G30 also. I wish I’d found one optioned with leather dash and alcantara headliner, but it’s a really well done interior. Subtle, not flashy, but well done. Nice seats, nice leather, including on the doorcard. Even the base sensatech dash has stitching and a nice appearance (though it does clash some with the smooth Nappa leather). It’s more subtle than some others but it’s hard to argue any others are better quality. So it’s possible to make a car that performs well, looks as sits in a sporty fashion, and also appeals to the American luxury market. Mercedes, BMW, Audi have all been succeeding at that for years. Now all of a sudden, because of electrification, it’s like that mission has just been abandoned.
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I am willing to give the NK (sedan) a chance and really see what BMW does with it. I bought my M550i with the intention of it serving as my last fully ICE car, and to last for several years while electric cars as a concept "bake" some more. As it stands, BEVs just don't offer what I (and most) are looking for in a car.
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Well, that would be tragic because it will encourage BMW to continue down this line
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Prepare thyself for tragedy, my friend. Sucks.
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Hmm…newer isn’t always better
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The government is pushing it. So they will subsidize however they have to.
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The world's largest Mercedes dealer in Newport Beach is offering incentives to move overpriced EV's as well. 128 EQS's and 107 EQE's available. Just a little over a year ago, guys in the Mercedes forum were paying upwards of $40k over MSRP to get an EQS. Many are listed for around $60k on the used lot now. My local Ford dealer has 60 Mach-E's they are having trouble unloading.
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The real tragedy will be if Porsche also fucks up their designs in another 8-10 years (which is when I anticipate being in the market again).
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There are two basic attitudes: “I have a product in mind that I believe there is a market for, and I will make that product the best I can and attract that market” “There is a market and they want X so I shall make X” Of course you have to blend the two, but today it’s much more about the latter than the former.
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Well, to me, the dynamic seems to be that the 5 series has shifted more to the luxury daily driver that still feels sporty and still has a semblance of satisfaction to drive. The 2, 3, and 4 series seems to be where all the "real" performance has shifted. ...and I'm ok with that. The size of all series has increased and, tbh, the G30 is a bit of a pig. So, realistically, the smaller chassis cars are more appropriate for enthusiasts and occasional track days.
That being said, I haven't driven the G60. ...or an M3/4, for that matter. So, maybe my opinion doesn't count. lol. To be fair, though, the entire performance car market has shifted to big horsepower over handling. In terms of making a "drivers car", there's no real need for 617 HP in the F90 M5 Comp. 400 HP and a superb suspension will satisfy 99.999% of sporty drivers and, if there's anything we've learned recently about HP upgrades, it's pretty easy to get another 100-200 HP out of these cars if you really it. Hell, I'd argue that nearly none of us would put the 330ish HP of our 540i's to proper use on a race track. |
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I am not opposed to change for the better. I am opposed to the government mandating my buying decisions. Obviously, it’s not just BMW going along with forced changes; it is everywhere in everything. Many think this is great progress and get sucked into the hype, I don’t. Just peruse the G60 forum, especially the i5 owners, who justify poor range, lack of physical controls, synthetic seats, overcomplicated basic functions like changing temperature or adjusting the seat, and lots of plastic inside and out. Some brag they leased the i5 because they will just chuck it to the next loser when the lease runs out because better EV technology is coming, and this thing will be a worthless “dog” with a giant battery before heading for the hazardous waste dump. This is progress.
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