[BlueSander]

I tried the i5 M60 yesterday at the dealer. Man, that car is comfortable! Fully loaded in all black so it does look a lot better than most new 5 out there. Sadly, BMW decided not to put the right engine in that car. I probably am one of the rare one here very excited to see the launch of the new M5. Give me 45-50 miles EV range and a nice engine with good exhaust note. It could potentially the M5 that most M550i owners are waiting for.

[AP]

Perhaps. Certainly waiting to save up for it because it won’t be cheap!

After seeing quite a lot of reviews now, it seems the g60 redeeming features would appear to be comfort in terms of both ride and the seats

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by AP

Perhaps. Certainly waiting to save up for it because it won’t be cheap!

After seeing quite a lot of reviews now, it seems the g60 redeeming features would appear to be comfort in terms of both ride and the seats

It’s definitely comfortable. Just not very sporty other than being fast.

[dizz81]

Originally Posted by AP

Interesting review of the 550e against the outgoing g30 m550
Nuff said

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-...h-review/48493

God that car is hideous. I seriously don't understand new car designs from any manufacturer these days.

Why so much piano black on the outside. It's like they haven't learned with putting it on the inside and how easily it scratches and gets dirty, they said "fuck it lets put it on the outside too, more money to be made from having them replaced more often"

I just don't get it.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by NGT2

It’s definitely comfortable. Just not very sporty other than being fast.

Exactly. I drove another G60 540iX today after driving a 2019 M550i first.

G60 pros- big and comfortable, good for long drives; the M sport package makes this car much better than a dull non-sport
G60 cons - overall size and weight. The B58 is a great engine but the car is too damn heavy to feel nearly as sporty as a G30. It just doesn’t accelerate with as much urgency. Too many touch screens

Now about that M550i. It had 65k miles and not a lot of options so I wasn’t going to buy, but the real purpose was compare the drive to my 540i. It didn’t disappoint. The engine is always ready, less or no turbo lag, and the xdrive helps the tires hook up even where my RWD with better tires will dip into traction control. The experience was very similar to when I first drove the E9x M3 in 2010 before ordering one…lots of smiles when applying throttle. This could be my next car if I could find the right one. Until then my G30 is awesome.

Edit to add… also the SA told me both the i5’s and 530i’s are not selling well nationally. Not really a problem selling 540iX. Most people are not ready for an electric vehicle and those who want them have bought already. They like the gas engine but want the I6.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by dizz81

God that car is hideous. I seriously don't understand new car designs from any manufacturer these days.

while i detest the concept of the i5 I have seen it in person and the front looks pretty decent, the back looks very ordinary but not terrible

i also detested the buck teeth on the G8x but having seen one in person it doesn't look terrible, and the whatever grey shade it was in looked stunning (i was ashamed to admit at the time)

anyway the proof will lie in how many they sell i guess

[eliphil]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

Exactly. I drove another G60 540iX today after driving a 2019 M550i first.

G60 pros- big and comfortable, good for long drives; the M sport package makes this car much better than a dull non-sport
G60 cons - overall size and weight. The B58 is a great engine but the car is too damn heavy to feel nearly as sporty as a G30. It just doesn’t accelerate with as much urgency. Too many touch screens

Now about that M550i. It had 65k miles and not a lot of options so I wasn’t going to buy, but the real purpose was compare the drive to my 540i. It didn’t disappoint. The engine is always ready, less or no turbo lag, and the xdrive helps the tires hook up even where my RWD with better tires will dip into traction control. The experience was very similar to when I first drove the E9x M3 in 2010 before ordering one…lots of smiles when applying throttle. This could be my next car if I could find the right one. Until then my G30 is awesome.

Edit to add… also the SA told me both the i5’s and 530i’s are not selling well nationally. Not really a problem selling 540iX. Most people are not ready for an electric vehicle and those who want them have bought already. They like the gas engine but want the I6.

I’m very thankful I picked up one the last M550s left. It’s really a superb vehicle

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

Exactly. I drove another G60 540iX today after driving a 2019 M550i first.

G60 pros- big and comfortable, good for long drives; the M sport package makes this car much better than a dull non-sport
G60 cons - overall size and weight. The B58 is a great engine but the car is too damn heavy to feel nearly as sporty as a G30. It just doesn’t accelerate with as much urgency. Too many touch screens

Now about that M550i. It had 65k miles and not a lot of options so I wasn’t going to buy, but the real purpose was compare the drive to my 540i. It didn’t disappoint. The engine is always ready, less or no turbo lag, and the xdrive helps the tires hook up even where my RWD with better tires will dip into traction control. The experience was very similar to when I first drove the E9x M3 in 2010 before ordering one…lots of smiles when applying throttle. This could be my next car if I could find the right one. Until then my G30 is awesome.

Edit to add… also the SA told me both the i5’s and 530i’s are not selling well nationally. Not really a problem selling 540iX. Most people are not ready for an electric vehicle and those who want them have bought already. They like the gas engine but want the I6.

The G60 is fine. It just sucks as a replacement for an M550. It lacks soul.

When I drove it, it was the i5 M60. So I am going to assume they can’t make it sportier than that. And I felt it lacked soul and was just too big. It’s all comfort. Which is fine if that’s what you want. I’m just not interested. With its size and height, I’d just assume get a X5 M50/60 or a X3 M or M40/50. If you don’t require a V8, the X3 M might be a good replacement.

I’m not surprised the 530 isn’t selling well. That car has gotten way too big for that engine. I thought the G30 530 was already pretty underpowered. The G60 probably emphasizes that even more.

So… you drove the M550. You’re toast. Might as well start your search! I had my 540 and liked it a lot. I wondered if the M550 would be too much the same, just faster. Wrong. When I drove one, I just confirmed I definitely wanted one and it was worth the trade. Over a year later, I’m still glad and it was worth it.

I wonder if this is what will happen when I get to drive an F90. Part of me thinks I should avoid doing so… but we all know I’ll do no such thing. But I am not done with the M550. I’ll let the F90’s depreciate another year or more while I get more enjoyment from the M550.

Good luck with your M550 search!

[G30M]

Originally Posted by NGT2

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So… you drove the M550. You’re toast. Might as well start your search!
...
I wonder if this is what will happen when I get to drive an F90. Part of me thinks I should avoid doing so… but we all know I’ll do no such thing. But I am not done with the M550. I’ll let the F90’s depreciate another year or more while I get more enjoyment from the M550.

well i hate to burst your bubble but i drove the base M5 2018 with 60,000 miles. compared to the 550 ...

the suspension was not terrible, in fact it was almost as comfortable as my 550 but i felt the road imperfections but it wasn't harsh. the tires were twice as wide as the 550 so that could be why. if the LCI Comp has better dampers I don't know, it will be as comfortable as the 550? gosh! note my 550 has DHP.

the car is a wild animal. it spins the rear wheels on dry tarmac in comfort mode. well actually there is no comfort mode, only wild wilder and wildest (honestly, comfort, sport, sport plus individual settings -not modes- felt very similar to me).

the transmission was lumpy, it was jerky at all shifts so i'm not sure that the car was babied lol.

the steering is quicker than the 550, coz it has a bigger (?smaller) ratio.

the 2018 seat was not comfortable at all. maybe the LCI has improved comfort.

similarities to 550? lag. when you press the throttle, it takes a second for the car to move if it needs to change gears. is that a bad thing, well i don't know. i'm very impatient. that's why i have an EV with 600hp. the EV is instant lol.

i'd say the 550 is 93-95% the base M5. not sure about the comp. but you want a LCI Comp.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by G30M

well i hate to burst your bubble but i drove the base M5 2018 with 60,000 miles. compared to the 550 ...

the suspension was not terrible, in fact it was almost as comfortable as my 550 but i felt the road imperfections but it wasn't harsh. the tires were twice as wide as the 550 so that could be why. if the LCI Comp has better dampers I don't know, it will be as comfortable as the 550? gosh! note my 550 has DHP.

the car is a wild animal. it spins the rear wheels on dry tarmac in comfort mode. well actually there is no comfort mode, only wild wilder and wildest.

the transmission was lumpy, it was jerky at all shifts so i'm not sure that the car was babied lol.

the steering is quicker than the 550, coz it has a bigger (?smaller) ratio.

the 2018 seat was not comfortable at all. maybe the LCI has improved comfort.

similarities to 550? lag. when you press the throttle, it takes a second for the car to move if it needs to change gears. is that a bad thing, well i don't know. i'm very impatient. that's why i have an EV with 600hp. the EV is instant lol.

i'd say the 550 is 93-95% the base M5. not sure about the comp. but you want a LCI Comp.

Yeah, LCI comp would be the target. Definitely an LCI, period. Seats are so subjective. I want to try them for myself. Some people find the 8 series seats really comfortable. I find them to be the cars only real downside. But it’s a hell of a downside for a daily driver. The M5 idea is born out of a combo of loving the G30, wanting to go with a more aggressive drive feel on the next one, and the M850 seats maybe not being fitting the daily driving bill for me.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by G30M

well i hate to burst your bubble but i drove the base M5 2018 with 60,000 miles. compared to the 550 ...

the suspension was not terrible, in fact it was almost as comfortable as my 550 but i felt the road imperfections but it wasn't harsh. the tires were twice as wide as the 550 so that could be why. if the LCI Comp has better dampers I don't know, it will be as comfortable as the 550? gosh! note my 550 has DHP.

the car is a wild animal. it spins the rear wheels on dry tarmac in comfort mode. well actually there is no comfort mode, only wild wilder and wildest (honestly, comfort, sport, sport plus individual settings -not modes- felt very similar to me).

the transmission was lumpy, it was jerky at all shifts so i'm not sure that the car was babied lol.

the steering is quicker than the 550, coz it has a bigger (?smaller) ratio.

the 2018 seat was not comfortable at all. maybe the LCI has improved comfort.

similarities to 550? lag. when you press the throttle, it takes a second for the car to move if it needs to change gears. is that a bad thing, well i don't know. i'm very impatient. that's why i have an EV with 600hp. the EV is instant lol.

i'd say the 550 is 93-95% the base M5. not sure about the comp. but you want a LCI Comp.

I had EDC on my E90 M3 and like the M5 mode differences were minimal. When I couldn’t be comfortable in Comfort mode on the street I knew it was time to move onto a better daily driver. But it took 7 years.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by NGT2

The G60 is fine. It just sucks as a replacement for an M550. It lacks soul.

When I drove it, it was the i5 M60. So I am going to assume they can’t make it sportier than that. And I felt it lacked soul and was just too big. It’s all comfort. Which is fine if that’s what you want. I’m just not interested. With its size and height, I’d just assume get a X5 M50/60 or a X3 M or M40/50. If you don’t require a V8, the X3 M might be a good replacement.

I’m not surprised the 530 isn’t selling well. That car has gotten way too big for that engine. I thought the G30 530 was already pretty underpowered. The G60 probably emphasizes that even more.

So… you drove the M550. You’re toast. Might as well start your search! I had my 540 and liked it a lot. I wondered if the M550 would be too much the same, just faster. Wrong. When I drove one, I just confirmed I definitely wanted one and it was worth the trade. Over a year later, I’m still glad and it was worth it.

I wonder if this is what will happen when I get to drive an F90. Part of me thinks I should avoid doing so… but we all know I’ll do no such thing. But I am not done with the M550. I’ll let the F90’s depreciate another year or more while I get more enjoyment from the M550.

Good luck with your M550 search!

Yeah, the search is on. Stay tuned. But it will have to be near perfect spec to get me out of my 540i I’ve had since new. But it will likely happen.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

Yeah, the search is on. Stay tuned. But it will have to be near perfect spec to get me out of my 540i I’ve had since new. But it will likely happen.

It will show up eventually. There’s some nice ones out there, just gotta keep an eye out and be patient. Trying to do the same now, looking for my wife a X7 M50.

Btw, if anybody wants a good deal on a ‘21 X7 40i with under 30k miles, let me know.

[Sxs1687]

G30 is such a great car. Love the line up of trims as well...there's something for everyone (except the full EV folks I guess). I like the rear of the LCI but the front of the pre-LCI. I kinda feel like BMW just came up with some temporary design for the front of the LCI because the lighting doesn't match any of the other series/models/trims. Those L DRLs looks Jaguarish. Nevertheless, it is still very good looking.

Anyway, I saw an i5 M60 in person the other day and got to sit in it. It's actually very nice looking in person, it definitely has that 5 series presence which you don't see in pictures. I wouldn't mind upgrading to that chassis in a few years. Interior is very nice too. Seats were very comfortable but their new stitching patterns don't look as "cool" or luxurious as the cross/diamond stitching of the nappa in the g30. Been debating this idea of a full EV too, considering I pay nearly $100 a week for gas 😭. We'll see, Ive always been a gas or nothing type of car owner. Also need to pay attention to BMW's EV reliability and any potential issues that would be a turn off in them. Need to drive one at some point too. Wish there was a M560i/M550 or something along those lines.

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by Sxs1687

Been debating this idea of a full EV too, considering I pay nearly $100 a week for gas 😭. We'll see, Ive always been a gas or nothing type of car owner. Also need to pay attention to BMW's EV reliability and any potential issues that would be a turn off in them. Need to drive one at some point too. Wish there was a M560i/M550 or something along those lines.

The new Macan EV is getting rave reviews. I even heard a couple reviewers say that it will make you forget the ICE Macan. That is high praise, and exciting for me as the Macan is very high on my list for my next car sometime in the 2030s (moving on from the BMW brand seeing their direction).

[Gautam]

Originally Posted by adhrp

The new Macan EV is getting rave reviews. I even heard a couple reviewers say that it will make you forget the ICE Macan. That is high praise, and exciting for me as the Macan is very high on my list for my next car sometime in the 2030s (moving on from the BMW brand seeing their direction).

The Macan EV and Taycan are the most likely contenders to replace my M550 in a few years that I've seen, and I'm confident that they would be decisive upgrades in a way I'm not with any BMW. Driving dynamics, styling, right balance of tech and luxury. Porsche seems to nail everything, but of course you have to pay to play. I'm curious how the new M5 will compare. Similar weight and power...ev vs hybrid.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Gautam

The Macan EV and Taycan are the most likely contenders to replace my M550 in a few years that I've seen, and I'm confident that they would be decisive upgrades in a way I'm not with any BMW. Driving dynamics, styling, right balance of tech and luxury. Porsche seems to nail everything, but of course you have to pay to play. I'm curious how the new M5 will compare. Similar weight and power...ev vs hybrid.

i have driven the X5 hybrid. it's very smooth. until the battery is depleted. then you're lugging 500lb dead weight, but smoothly. (no different with the EV though, but the EV doesn't have all that complexity. don't hold on to a hybrid out of warranty unless it's a Jap)

the Taycan in the UK depreciates 65% the moment you sign the dotted line. other than that it's just like a Porsche inside. (mate has one)

if my 550 dies I'm getting a G8x Comp. (want a 911 Turbo S but can't afford one lol)

[eliphil]

Originally Posted by dizz81

God that car is hideous. I seriously don't understand new car designs from any manufacturer these days.

Why so much piano black on the outside. It's like they haven't learned with putting it on the inside and how easily it scratches and gets dirty, they said "fuck it lets put it on the outside too, more money to be made from having them replaced more often"

I just don't get it.

You would think they might do significant market research and actually listen to folks like us…… These companies are not very smart in this area

[eliphil]

Originally Posted by Gautam

The Macan EV and Taycan are the most likely contenders to replace my M550 in a few years that I've seen, and I'm confident that they would be decisive upgrades in a way I'm not with any BMW. Driving dynamics, styling, right balance of tech and luxury. Porsche seems to nail everything, but of course you have to pay to play. I'm curious how the new M5 will compare. Similar weight and power...ev vs hybrid.

I hope there is some alternative other than Porsche. Their quality control and mechanical design can be a real problem and they don’t stand behind their product. To many legit class action law suits as well as the hosing you get on all repairs and maintenance

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by eliphil

I hope there is some alternative other than Porsche. Their quality control and mechanical design can be a real problem and they don’t stand behind their product. To many legit class action law suits as well as the hosing you get on all repairs and maintenance

Interesting. I read something a while back that said they were very reliable, for the most part.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by NGT2

Interesting. I read something a while back that said they were very reliable, for the most part.

he might be referring to the cabin heater that if borked can't be fixed (well, it keeps breaking after replaced)

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by G30M

he might be referring to the cabin heater that if borked can't be fixed (well, it keeps breaking after replaced)

Germans just don’t give a shit about some stuff like that.

“This bitch will be fast and drive awesome.”

And what about the creature comforts?

“The what?”