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      01-15-2019, 11:26 AM   #145
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Originally Posted by tisdrew View Post
Over $55k, what's the competition? c7, rs3, gt350, m2c.

The 335hp seems mighty low but sub $50k though, the competition lightens up with the hot hatches, 370z nismo and not much else:

Infiniti q60s $48k but 3,850 lbs and 300hp. The nismo Z comes in at 3,500 lbs but with 350hp so seems like it should give the Supra a run for it's money -- but something not mentioned here is 270 ft-lbs of torque versus the 365 ft-lbs made by the Supra. The Nismo gives up ride comfort and torque and weight so it seems like the Supra is the hands-down winner for those willing to shell out $50k versus the $45k nissan is asking.

Golf R, Focus RS, WRX STI are all at $36k with power ranging 295-345 which is the same power level as the new Supra. And then there are some siblings with the m240i (which actually has the same engine but weighs in at 3,550lbs) and 340i (down to 320hp AND weight up at 3,650).

The only other real competition I see are domestic pony cars the 1SS and Mustang GT which severely undercut the Supra on price being below $40k. They also beat it on power but are both around 500lbs heavier. The inline-four turbo variants of these cars are closer to the Supra in power and weight but the Supra is still lighter but a couple hundred pounds. Overall, and unsurprisingly, Toyota did their segment research and I hope they sell well so we can see a facelifted model around 2022/2024.

I'm still perplexed at the 382hp z4m40i versus the detuned Supra.
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