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Love reading this especially given global state of affairs with EV's, fuel costs etc.
BMW has made some interesting decisions over the past few years but hands down, this one deserves full props. Nice job 👍🏼 and the minority appreciates this. |
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06-24-2022, 05:32 PM | #46 |
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This combined with recent news that Germany is telling the EU and their 2035 ICE ban to f*ck off makes me giddy.
![]() Long live ICE
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Not to mention that they have a fully-electric M5 with a 1000bhp to be release in just two years. The writing is on the wall, BMW is currently in a transitionary period but by the following generation, all their vehicles will have an electric/hybrid drivetrain. . |
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06-24-2022, 06:18 PM | #48 |
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I wish they had offered the M240i with a manual. I may have considered replacing my F22
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Rumor has it that there will supposedly be two versions of the M5; a plug-in hybrid and a fully electric version. To the point was attempting to make is that BMW is all on board with phasing out the ICE, as they are already christening a bonafide and established M model as fully electric. This will eventually trickle down to the lower tier M offerings. https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-...ve-up-1000-hp/ |
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And bmw since you cant figure it out, the technical reason is "fun"
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06-24-2022, 08:09 PM | #52 |
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wonderful.
i will never buy any automatic as long as I can drive manuals.
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I probably would have had one by now too.
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Those companies are making short-sighted, greed-driven decisions to kill off manuals, and then hypocritically bemoan the inevitable outcome.
A few examples off the top of my head: BMW G80 Competition is just a few grand more than the base manual version. For that you're getting a vastly more powerful engine and a fast-shifting slushbox. In other words: a bargain. Also: why not install crisper, more direct manual gearboxes in all BMW M cars ? The current M gearboxes are quite rubbery and lifeless, as if they belonged in a luxury car, not sporty one. Overall, not too bad, but the competition trounces them, and I find it hard to believe that BMW has no technical know-how to match the competition. They simply don't care to attract more manual gearbox enthusiasts. Porsche 911 S: you don't get any discount when you opt for the manual transmission versus Porsche's best-in-business DCT. They both cost the same, which makes even a hardcore manual fan second-guess his/her decision. It feels like wasting one's money. Why not change this policy and simply pay more for the extra-complexity and utility of the DCT ? |
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And if Germany, Italy, and some other countries have their way against the EU, some ICE models will continue to live on for the forseeable future, as it should be. A handful of new 911s, M cars, and Ferraris being produced annually isn't going to cause an environmental catastrophe.
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We also want the m3 wagon please
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Thanks for correcting me regarding 911 S. But the point still stands: there are multiple companies, including BMW, where you must unfairly pay the same regardless your transmission choice. This drives manual enthusiasts away, except the most dedicated ones. |
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For the global production run, F80 was 15.6% MT (5426/34,677) For the US production run, F80 was 28.3% MT (4548/16,057) According to BMW's G80/82 M3/4 launch materials, they expect global M3/4 MT take rate will be: G80 M3: 12% G82 M4: 8% Given these forecast percentages (and the chip-shortage/wire-harness shortage induced low production numbers for M3/4 model years 2021-2022 and beyond) perhaps <5000 MT G80 M3 will ever be produced globally! See attached pics.
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Some folks might not remember this but a little over ten years ago, all BMWs below a 5 series came standard with a manual transmission; you actually had to option order an automatic gearbox for an addition cost or else your car arrived with a clutch pedal - just as God intended. I'm pretty sure parts wise, it cost BMW a fraction for the manual gearbox they been recycling since the "E" generation, over whatever is their latest automatic option, so there is no additional cost for them to pass along. As far is the franchise dealers go, if it's anything like the shitshow the original M2 release was in 2016, expect to pay heavy markups for an G87, auto or manual, for at least the first three years of production. And if you don't want to pony up for their the absurd markups, there are like thirty other posers in line waiting to blindly hand their money over sticker. So, also budget for a giant tub of high-viscosity ass lube if you intend on snatching up an M2 right upon its initial release. . |
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The biggest problem I think is that BMW performance cars getting too big and too heavy and numb, it's not about manual or quick automatic nor how many wheels driven.
Should try to do what Porsche does while selling enough cars they still making those GT3 GT4s. It's not about manuals.
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![]() No, I'm not just picking on your tenses: you made me check F22 M240i was available in US with MT as well, unnecessarily. Here's some clarification of the "I wish they did/had/would" clause, if you like, of course ![]() |
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