[Mosaud1998]

Ah shit. Looks like I'll be going back to the E90 platform

[SundaySnores]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

Nope. In your example, the button is not on the stalk and to acquire HBA, it would require a retrofit of cameras, etc. I am leaning towards this may not be a bad thing here. My car is only missing a few options, one being gesture control, I don't have the camera in the overhead, but if I did and could turn it on for a small fee, I would. Not because the reviews of having it are over the top, but it's pretty much the only option I don't have and I am an option whore. Oh, I don't have Parking Assistant plus with the top down view, this I wish I had. It's strange what the prior owner left off the build given the things he added in like Alcantara headliner and full extended leather dash and trim.

I'm in a very similar situation as you but I'd almost pay to make gesture control go away! It's "nifty" but you ain't missing much.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by SundaySnores

I'm in a very similar situation as you but I'd almost pay to make gesture control go away! It's "nifty" but you ain't missing much.

Agreed. Gets it the way more than anything.

[SundaySnores]

Originally Posted by NGT2

Agreed. Gets it the way more than anything.

But it's assured to skip a track when I'm jamming out waving my hand around

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by SundaySnores

But it's assured to skip a track when I'm jamming out waving my hand around

I talk with my hands a lot. So I end up skipping tracks, turning it up, turning it down. You never know what will happen!

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

I'm not really intimate with the Tesla model, but isn't paid for functionality turned on through software part of their plan? I have a few friends who purchased an increase in horsepower (or whatever you call it on EVs) or the self driving thing. Granted it's not a subscription, but a one time fee. I'd have to imagine Tesla is pretty tied to server uptime as well as many other new cars.

Originally Posted by NGT2

So what's your plan when this becomes standard operating procedure across the industry? Tesla does this too. You think BMW are the only ones seeing this option?

My understanding is Tesla retains (owns) the rights to the software, so they can do with it what they want.

[2022M550i]

Originally Posted by NGT2

So there are two of us! I'm 38

Im the senior at 53. Retired at 44….crotchety like an 80 year old.

[AP]

Retired at 44, that's good going!

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by 2022M550i

Im the senior at 53. Retired at 44….crotchety like an 80 year old.

Beat me by 3 years. I clocked out at 47.

[2022M550i]

Originally Posted by AP

Retired at 44, that's good going!

My recipe - Undergrad in mechanical engineering, masters in information tech...operations mgmt/process improvement/business systems integrations...worked my tail off for 23 years...always spoke my mind whether I was right or wrong, got into lots of trouble, after my first corporate job...never sat in the same company for more than 4 years, right place right time, got tired of disingenuous people and left corporate, lived a very modest lifestyle, got divorced, always invest when people are panic selling... sold unique WW2 memorabilia for years...now I sit around complaining on forums about subscription based options. The beauty of capitalism.

[AP]

55 now worked in finance originally then across to IT.
Invested in equities which has (excuse the pun) paid dividends. No debt since 2001.
Whilst I could retire now I will hope to work for another 5 years or so so I can enjoy my expensive hobbies of flying and travel and of course , new BMWs!

Got that age where I seem to moan about just about everything

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by AP

55 now worked in finance originally then across to IT.
Invested in equities which has (excuse the pun) paid dividends. No debt since 2001.
Whilst I could retire now I will hope to work for another 5 years or so so I can enjoy my expensive hobbies of flying and travel and of course , new BMWs!

Got that age where I seem to moan about just about everything

5 years will give those equities a chance to recover too… that's my business. At least I have a nice ride to enjoy after taking a beating every day

[SteveinArizona]

Originally Posted by NGT2

Agreed. Gets it the way more than anything.

I also agree but you can make it go away in IDrive.

[Joe-BMW33]

I'm actually the senior it looks like at 56. I am young at heart though or at least that's what I tell myself. I was in Financial Services for 30 years and retired from it at 50. I was so sick of corporate culture, presentations, PowerPoints, Committees, etc. It ran it's course. Took a two year sabbatical traveling the world. Now I am President of a small (70 employees) Fiber Optic Engineering company. I always loved technology. I have no boss and answer to no one. Probably why I can sit on this forum all day! I don't miss the big corporate culture one bit. Divorced 10 years ago, three kids, youngest is going into her Junior year of college. Only two more years of tuition which means I should get that 911T a few years before I'm 60!

[AP]

Yeh corporate culture can drive you nuts at times, all common sense out of the window

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by AP

Yeh corporate culture can drive you nuts at times, all common sense out of the window

Yeah, it's funny, when you get out of college you can't wait to put that suit on and climb the ladder. Then you climb it and look down at all the bullshit it took to get there and you realize, is this really what I want to do?

I can't tell you how happy I am in my new environment. It's also a super hot industry now that got even hotter with COVID. It's all about fiber to the home now, 5G and streaming.

[2022M550i]

It sounds like we have a lot of great talent on here. That's why it's a great place to interact and share our experiences. Some forums are downright hostile.

The corporate world changed so much since I started. Now it's chock full of wokeism, politically correctness and plain old stupidity. Me first, I'll throw you under the bus to make myself look better than you culture.

Technology has gotten so out of hand...years of undocumented rushed to production spaghetti code created by multiple waves of consultants...one system not being able to completely talk to another and no one really has a handle on it. Unrealistic timelines trump quality and 99% of the execs are afraid to push back. They don't care because, at worst, they get canned and land softly with their golden parachutes.

Slick software salesmen from IBM, Accenture and the likes are selling complete crap to these companies, promising to solve world hunger and never delivering much. Consultants getting paid big bucks to tell you what time it is using your watch. I was in the alcohol beverage and health insurance industries. I'm amazed anything works, but things continue to limp along. IT budgets are astronomical and the cost gets passed on to the consumer. I still think a room full of clerks with pen/paper/calculator can get the job done more efficiently.

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by 2022M550i

It sounds like we have a lot of great talent on here. That's why it's a great place to interact and share our experiences. Some forums are downright hostile.

The corporate world changed so much since I started. Now it's chock full of wokeism, politically correctness and plain old stupidity. Me first, I'll throw you under the bus to make myself look better than you culture.

Technology has gotten so out of hand...years of undocumented rushed to production spaghetti code created by multiple waves of consultants...one system not being able to completely talk to another and no one really has a handle on it. Unrealistic timelines trump quality and 99% of the execs are afraid to push back. They don't care because, at worst, they get canned and land softly with their golden parachutes.

Slick software salesmen from IBM, Accenture and the likes are selling complete crap to these companies, promising to solve world hunger and never delivering much. Consultants getting paid big bucks to tell you what time it is using your watch. I was in the alcohol beverage and health insurance industries. I'm amazed anything works, but things continue to limp along. IT budgets are astronomical and the cost gets passed on to the consumer. I still think a room full of clerks with pen/paper/calculator can get the job done more efficiently.

I’m a software engineer so I’m in the thick of this.

That said, I think we’re on the road to a better place. Industries go through phases as they mature and the division of labor helps to improve efficiencies and processes. The road isn’t always free of potholes and bumps along the way though!

Early on, software teams were isolated islands developing everything in house. Eventually that moved to the largest pieces being handled more externally (think OSes, and hardware devices) around “standards” (with sometimes those standards just being the OS like Windows and whatever MS decides that week). But the software stack written by a team on top still tended to be an island developing it all in house. Now we’re reaching a more mature phase where teams focus on their core advantages and pull in outside components where it makes sense.

I guess said another way. 200 years ago a contractor might build a house entirely. From cutting down the lumber putting in the lawn (or whatever they did back then lol). Now a home builder will buy lumber that has been through 10 different specialty companies before arriving on the job site and etc. Increasing the quality.

Software is on that path. We’re still just getting fully wrapped around how it all works together in some ways. But you can see the benefits that the maturity has to offer in where software and computing is today compared to 10 or 20 years ago

Still doesn’t mean BMW needs to go down this dark path though

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

Yeah, it's funny, when you get out of college you can't wait to put that suit on and climb the ladder. Then you climb it and look down at all the bullshit it took to get there and you realize, is this really what I want to do?

I can't tell you how happy I am in my new environment. It's also a super hot industry now that got even hotter with COVID. It's all about fiber to the home now, 5G and streaming.

I'm in the investment business, but not corporate. We're a small, local firm. Clients everywhere in the U.S. but our firm is all local. 4 primary advisors, a couple others that split time advising a small number of accounts with doing other jobs, some subject matter experts, and a couple client service folks. 11 of us total, right now. So it's a good place to work. Everyone has to pull their weight and wear a few different hats, but it's good for the lifestyle of having a young family. Not too corporate and the company has flexibility to change policies as it makes sense instead of taking so long to change that things are obsolete before they're even implemented.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by NGT2

I'm in the investment business, but not corporate. We're a small, local firm. Clients everywhere in the U.S. but our firm is all local. 4 primary advisors, a couple others that split time advising a small number of accounts with doing other jobs, some subject matter experts, and a couple client service folks. 11 of us total, right now. So it's a good place to work. Everyone has to pull their weight and wear a few different hats, but it's good for the lifestyle of having a young family. Not too corporate and the company has flexibility to change policies as it makes sense instead of taking so long to change that things are obsolete before they're even implemented.

23 years of my 30 years in Financial Services were with Wellington Management. I am sure you heard of them. When I started there were 400 employees and the only office was in the U.S., Boston., when I left there were 2,500 employees with offices in 10 countries.

I love the business, but I loved the 400 employee culture and decision making process. No red tape, just get it done. You are in the sweet spot where you are at.

[ezaircon4jc]

Forced retirement @ 56. I'm glad I was forced out as technology is taking over the Nat'l Airspace System. Pilots rely too much on the automation and controllers do the same. One of the scariest deals I heard about at my old facility was a "controller" climbed one a/c into another. When asked why she did that, she said it was OK because TCAS would fix it

Sorry... off topic...

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

Forced retirement @ 56. I'm glad I was forced out as technology is taking over the Nat'l Airspace System. Pilots rely too much on the automation and controllers do the same. One of the scariest deals I heard about at my old facility was a "controller" climbed one a/c into another. When asked why she did that, she said it was OK because TCAS would fix it

Sorry... off topic...

That's ok! As the thread starter, I could care less as long as everyone is respectful to one another. It's nice to know a bit more about one another.