07-10-2025, 06:30 PM | #68 |
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With no question the M2 is at fault. Porsche driver let off the accelerator getting close to the M2, Porsche attempts to pass and M2 moves to the left with no blinkers. M2 needed to use his mirrors.
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07-10-2025, 06:40 PM | #69 | |
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According to the guy in the second video, the Nurburgring is considered a public road & laws applicable to public roads apply to it. Based on that, the BMW is at fault & the guy in the video said at best, 50/50. And I got the impression he didn't think that was a good bet.
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I think the M2 being RHD played a factor in this.
By the letter of the law on the ‘Ring the M2 looks to be at fault but at most North American track days you overtake after the car in front signals clear. If that M2 driver is found to be at 100% fault he’s financially screwed. He’ll likely be on the hook for track repairs, the Porsche cost, AND his own M2…
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The Porsche was way past the BMW blind spot and should’ve been easily spotted by the BMW as evidenced by location of impact on side of Porsche… it wasn’t Porsche onto side of BMW
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07-10-2025, 07:31 PM | #72 |
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I've never driven on a racetrack before so I don't know the official rules.
In my humble view, this is 100% Porsche fault. If it deems to be BMW's fault, then I'll cross off Nurburgring off my bucket list. It makes no sense to me. |
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In my area, I’ve noticed a lot of BMW drivers who don’t use their turn signals, drive aggressively, and run people off the road
. It’s easy to blame Porsche drivers for these incidents, but I don’t think that’s fair. I think it’s more likely that it’s a sloppy M2 driver who wasn’t paying attention to what he was doing. Regardless of the make of the car, it’s important for drivers to be cautious and follow traffic rules. |
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apparently this 'track' is a public 2 lane, one way road. not that i know where the invisible 'lane' begins or ends, but if that's the case, then it's not 100% Porsche's fault
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This video, and countless other shenanigans, are why I avoid TF in the Summer. Unfortunately, TF has become wannabe NLS Qualifications mixed with Instagram/TikTok BS. They also need to limit the cars on track. It’s too crowded and drivers often have little regard outside of themselves. I will only go in early Spring during the week or late in the Fall. And yes, I watched Misha’s video explanation. I get it, but at the same time the spirit of TF has been destroyed the last ten or fifteen years. It’s way more of a chaotic track day than Opa rocking his Opel OPC with the Kinder in the back pushing him on for a fun 10+ minute lap. |
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Porsche guy seems to be at fault.
At that speed, the M2 driver didn’t have enough time to react to Porsche trying to squeeze in during the corner apex turn. The Porsche came in from nowhere and caused the mess. The Porsche driver took a risk but didn’t pay off.
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because as you said, 600 people all doing their quali lap at the same time will only result in crashes. |
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Based on the video the M2 driver is at fault slow traffic always moved to the right giving the right of way of passing car.
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Remember, you’re just dumping money into your account. Tapping your card as you go through the gate debits your account. They’re not obligated to let you on the track or provide X number of laps. Honestly, I’d rather have a few weekends of traffic jams and slowdowns chase people off. |
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A guy a week before this wasn't to lucky.
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There you go.
I've been going to The Ring every year since 2008 and I'm telling you, if someone doesn't blink to let me pass, I'm not taking any chances. There are no prizes to win (but stupid ones) so unless I am sure I was seen, I'll stay behind,
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One guy wasnt paying attention. Wasnt following all the rules of the ring and took a right hand driver car to a left hand drive country. its always introducing more risks. He sat on the opposite side of where 911 guy sits, and didnt really double make sure to leave space. Porsche of course didnt need to go for it, this rule of no timed laps is there for a reason. Fast car, probably good driver to be driving it, but - right hand drive being passed on the left at high speed and in corner with guy not paying attention or not expecting to be passed - you got a bad combination of errors. Im pretty sure the police in Germany will find the BMW driver ultimately at fault but with some mitigating circumstances. I certainly wouldnt blame Porsche driver never mind being 100% sure of it. Whats most important they walk away and can now bicker about who pays for what, rather than you know, learn how to walk again or family writing obituaries. Just brused egos and engineers can be proud of making good cars. thank god all are alive and ok.
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OMG wow! that insane
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