[jcal65]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

I think BMW was hedging their bets with the G60 in case the i5 didn’t meet sales expectations. Problem is it’s compromised for both BEV and ICE versions.

Spot on! They witnessed Mercedes create a separate expensive, bloblike EQE and EQS platform which has not gone too well for them. Perhaps BMW had the better idea, but they also fumbled on the design element in my opinion. I agree BMW compromised on the G60 and weighed too heavily towards EV, at least at this point in technology, market desire and affordability.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by JKRIT

My feeling is that my G30 has the same problem: brake system designed to work with no vacuum assist provided by an ICE. The computer decides how much braking is applied: "How fast did you take your foot off the accelerator? How fast are you going? Are you going around a curve? We don't care that you are backing off the brake pedal: We know better than you how much to brake the car.">

I think the G30 brake system may have 2 hydraulic pressure channels…a lower pressure one for Comfort (I.e. you’re not driving aggressively so you don’t require maximum boost) and a higher pressure channel for Sport where you probably are driving more aggressively and do need more brake boost. I always sensed the tug of war between braking and transmission happened more in Sport than Comfort (due to programmed coasting) but a technically knowledgeable CA told me it was more about the brake boost.

[FerasMF]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

I think the G30 brake system may have 2 hydraulic pressure channels…a lower pressure one for Comfort (I.e. you’re not driving aggressively so you don’t require maximum boost) and a higher pressure channel for Sport where you probably are driving more aggressively and do need more brake boost. I always sensed the tug of war between braking and transmission happened more in Sport than Comfort (due to programmed coasting) but a technically knowledgeable CA told me it was more about the brake boost.

I also noticed this (feeling of different and sometimes unpredictable braking behaviour depending on ongoing speed and on pressure I apply on brakes). However, I got used to it with time and now I can predict it better. I find it helpful not to lift my foot off the throttle all of a sudden and also be more decisive on braking. It still can be annoying if going downhills at low speed.

I totally agree with other guys comments on the G60. Looking at the 5 series models over the years I feel G60 looks aberrant in the lineup. I feel it lacks the soul of the series, like a plant that has grown from a different root. Additionally, I think having no control physical buttons and the higher seating position are major drawback points.

[jcal65]

Ouch!

I’m glad I didn’t want an EQS. Double glad I wasn’t one of the first who paid a lot over sticker to get one in 2022. It’s fun to see the EQS owners justify this loss in the MB forum while telling you where to best invest your cash. Some great, low mileage deals on the used lot looking attractive, unfortunately the car is not.

Good news if you bought a Kia Rio, you only lost $21 in the first year, unless it was stolen.

Mercedes-Benz EQS Loses Nearly Half Its Value After One Year, Study Says
https://www.motor1.com/news/714685/m...ly-half-value/

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by FerasMF

I also noticed this (feeling of different and sometimes unpredictable braking behaviour depending on ongoing speed and on pressure I apply on brakes). However, I got used to it with time and now I can predict it better. I find it helpful not to lift my foot off the throttle all of a sudden and also be more decisive on braking. It still can be annoying if going downhills at low speed.

I totally agree with other guys comments on the G60. Looking at the 5 series models over the years I feel G60 looks aberrant in the lineup. I feel it lacks the soul of the series, like a plant that has grown from a different root. Additionally, I think having no control physical buttons and the higher seating position are major drawback points.

Higher seating position is complaint number one for me. But the list is long.

I’ve been saying the same thing. It’s just not a 5 series. It’s fine as a car, but it’s a joke of a 5 series BMW.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by jcal65

Spot on! They witnessed Mercedes create a separate expensive, bloblike EQE and EQS platform which has not gone too well for them. Perhaps BMW had the better idea, but they also fumbled on the design element in my opinion. I agree BMW compromised on the G60 and weighed too heavily towards EV, at least at this point in technology, market desire and affordability.

IDK, I think they have done it because they don't know which way the winds are going to blow. Rather than go full EV, with a bespoke platform, they created a compromise-based chassis in order to hedge bets.

If the 2030 Agenda fails and the technocratic Davos nutters are left with their pants down, BMW didn't bet the farm on a technology which is clearly not the answer to future transportation needs (and was never actually designed to be).

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Neusser

IDK, I think they have done it because they don't know which way the winds are going to blow. Rather than go full EV, with a bespoke platform, they created a compromise-based chassis in order to hedge bets.

If the 2030 Agenda fails and the technocratic Davos nutters are left with their pants down, BMW didn't bet the farm on a technology which is clearly not the answer to future transportation needs (and was never actually designed to be).

I agree with your premise but they still fucked up then G60.

[AP]

I think the mother would disown it in this case!

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by AP

I think the mother would disown it in this case!

I still think it looks acceptable in M-Sport trim. Saw one on the Autobahn the other day. That said, it sits high.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Neusser

I still think it looks acceptable in M-Sport trim. Saw one on the Autobahn the other day. That said, it sits high.

It just sits too high and looks too bland for me.

[NGT2]

Joe-BMW33 I don’t what thread it was but this is as good as any - you are right. I was designated driver to dinner last night and drove a friend’s new Denali. The brakes feel really weak. Maybe I’m just spoiled but it took a couple stops to get used to it.

[tsbrown]

The G60 is compromised inside and out. Yet there really isn’t anything that matches it in 540iX form within $20k. Unless it’s maybe a brand I thus far haven’t considered.

An X5 40i is great, but I don’t want an SUV. Similar with an X3 M40 and we already have an X3 in the garage. An 8GC is a leading contender but isn’t quite right for me and is at least 20k more new. A Macan S drives great, but again SUV and >90k properly optioned. The Panamera is more than an 8GC. It goes on.

I’m spending a fair amount of time on the G60 forum and many new owners are coming from other brands, some from G30 leases so either don’t have the longtime BMW owner expectations, wanted the EV with better luxury, or some who have conceded it’s compromises vs the G30. Meanwhile I’ll keep driving my wonderful 540i.