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      11-14-2016, 07:39 AM   #1
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Rick Perry brought up the idea of eliminating the Departments of Education, Energy, and Commerce, as they were unneeded and their combined budgets were over $6B/yr. should Trump do it?

EDIT: annual budgets of these three are about $170B
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yes. That's a nice start. #1 threat to this country is its financial condition.
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Education.. Given world rankings when it comes to math, science, and reading we are ranked in the upper 20s. And we do happen to be one of the richest countries on Earth.. Yup it's time for the education department to go.
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You do realize the Department of Energy isn't just an agency focused on energy sources. There's a sub agency with in the Department of Energy called Defense Programs. This is the group that actually oversees the nuclear weapons of this country.
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Rick Perry brought up the idea of eliminating the Departments of Education, Energy, and Commerce, as they were unneeded and their combined budgets were over $6B/yr. should Trump do it?
What's the reasoning for nixing the dept of education ?
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What's the reasoning for nixing the dept of education ?
The fact that the US public school system keeps spitting out half-retards that can hardly read, suck at math, and are clueless of how the real world runs.
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Rick Perry brought up the idea of eliminating the Departments of Education, Energy, and Commerce, as they were unneeded and their combined budgets were over $6B/yr. should Trump do it?
What's the reasoning for nixing the dept of education ?
I believe the reasoning is Education should be locally and state-controlled. Adding the federal layer does virtually nothing to benefit education, and only as huge bureaucracy.
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The fact that the US public school system keeps spitting out half-retards that can hardly read, suck at math, and are clueless of how the real world runs.
Correct. This happens because we have the know-it-all federales mandating education standards, rather than something that actually works, such as:

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I believe the reasoning is Education should be locally and state-controlled. Adding the federal layer does virtually nothing to benefit education, and only as huge bureaucracy.
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I do see the need for a Department of Education. If everyone's going to compare the US's rank in education when compared to other countries, then I think we need something at the federal level to make sure all the states are marching in the same direction. Plus, I believe the Dept of Ed has oversight on federal education programs (including grants and loans) as well as directing federal funds down to the states. Otherwise, the gap in education between the "have" states (Mass., NY) and the "have not" states (Louisiana, Alabaman) will just grow. So I think the overall mission of the Dept of Ed has merit.

Looking at the 2017 requested budget that is available online, only $2B of the requested $70B is spent on salaries and expenses. Could there be streamlining of operations? Probably. Could some programs be streamlined or even eliminated? Probably. But this is the government, and the same inefficiencies would occur at the state level.
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You do realize the Department of Energy isn't just an agency focused on energy sources. There's a sub agency with in the Department of Energy called Defense Programs. This is the group that actually oversees the nuclear weapons of this country.
This. DoE not going anywhere.
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The fact that the US public school system keeps spitting out half-retards that can hardly read, suck at math, and are clueless of how the real world runs.
Yeah but if we fix that then who will vote Republican? Slippery slope right there.
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I do see the need for a Department of Education. If everyone's going to compare the US's rank in education when compared to other countries, then I think we need something at the federal level to make sure all the states are marching in the same direction. Plus, I believe the Dept of Ed has oversight on federal education programs (including grants and loans) as well as directing federal funds down to the states. Otherwise, the gap in education between the "have" states (Mass., NY) and the "have not" states (Louisiana, Alabaman) will just grow. So I think the overall mission of the Dept of Ed has merit.

Looking at the 2017 requested budget that is available online, only $2B of the requested $70B is spent on salaries and expenses. Could there be streamlining of operations? Probably. Could some programs be streamlined or even eliminated? Probably. But this is the government, and the same inefficiencies would occur at the state level.
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The fact that the US public school system keeps spitting out half-retards that can hardly read, suck at math, and are clueless of how the real world runs.
like this guy?
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The fact that the US public school system keeps spitting out half-retards that can hardly read, suck at math, and are clueless of how the real world runs.
The lack of good teaches is a major problem. In my country there is a massive shortage on teachers, 600. Salary is an issue.
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Repeal Department of education and replace it with....?

What a stupid idea. What is causing Mississippi to rank near the bottom in education, but New York the top - the Department of Education? Laughable.
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$20,000,000,000,000
Where are you getting $20 Trillion from? What is this number even referencing?

Square root of pi. Look, I can throw out a number as well!
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Where are you getting $20 Trillion from? What is this number even referencing?
It's what our national debt will be by the time Trump is sworn in office. As a country, if we don't get serious about this it right now, this country will eventually collapse under the weight of its own debt.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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The lack of good teaches is a major problem. In my country there is a massive shortage on teachers, 600. Salary is an issue.
I assume you mean county?
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It's what our national debt will be by the time Trump is sworn in office. As a country, if we don't get serious about this it right now, this country will eventually collapse under the weight of its own debt.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Fine. You could have said that. But you've established no relationship between the Department of Education and the national debt. You can say "$20 Trillion" to any proposal for federal spending. So is your suggestion that we completely eliminate all federal spending? Maybe collect taxes at a 100% tax rate? Just spouting the national debt number doesn't contribute much to the conversation.
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The lack of good teaches is a major problem. In my country there is a massive shortage on teachers, 600. Salary is an issue.
One of my friends was a high school teacher. She changed professions because she couldn't deal with being a baby sitter and a surrogate parent for her students. Some of the stories she tells me just reinforces how our future (kids) is in danger because of piss poor parenting. My friend loved being a teacher and making a difference but just got tired of dealing with the BS of part time/absentee parents and unrulely out of control kids.
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Just spouting the national debt number doesn't contribute much to the conversation.
Sure it does, it shows what the end goal in this undertaking is (or should be). Hopefully it illustrates to people that when you're carrying that much debt, anything and everything has to be on the table. This includes drastically reducting funding and/or eliminating almost every major federal government agency.
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