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      10-13-2019, 04:28 PM   #177
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There was a certain poetic justice to seeing MV being pushed off the track by CLC after the opposite happened at Austria.
Albon needs to be careful, if he keeps putting in qualifying performances like todays at Suzuka (a track he had never raced at before)...MV will veto Red bull from signing him up for next season.
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      10-13-2019, 04:34 PM   #178
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Agreed but not thanks to anyone speaking Deutsch. Therefore I can say freely that Your max is a cunt. Because I donít have a horse in this race. And going after the biggest asshole is fun.
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Agreed but not thanks to anyone speaking Deutsch. Therefore I can say freely that Your max is a cunt. Because I donít have a horse in this race. And going after the biggest asshole is fun.
Easy to be an internet warrior without a lance
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Easy to be an internet warrior without a lance
That's because you don't have to have a lance to poke fun of the obvious
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      10-13-2019, 04:55 PM   #181
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Agreed but not thanks to anyone speaking Deutsch. Therefore I can say freely that Your max is a cunt. Because I donít have a horse in this race. And going after the biggest asshole is fun.
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Interesting race. You all are hypersensitized to the whipper-snappers, good for you. While you're hyper-ing may I suggest you spend a bit of focus on Albon and Mr. Norris. In the meantime the veterans determined the outcome of this race. My only real question is if Vettel's borked start threw LEC off as well. We may never know.
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That's because you don't have to have a lance to poke fun of the obvious
All I see is you is digging a hole getting nowhere, actually killing myself laughing as I'm sure MAX would be at your comedy flash of wit
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      10-13-2019, 05:33 PM   #184
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All I see is you is digging a hole getting nowhere, actually killing myself laughing as I'm sure MAX would be at your comedy flash of wit
I'm sure. From his well deserved 20th place
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While I agree that this whole LEC/VER incident was LEC fault, mistakes happen. Anyone suggesting that LEC intentionally drove into VER (or that any driver does something similar - VET/HAM at Baku being the exception) isn't necessarily thinking clearly. Mistake's happen and he owned up to unnecessarily causing the collision.

If we go back a few years, Max was making a lot of similar mistakes and being criticized for it (anyone remember the first batch of races through Monaco last year)? But he's been in F1 a few years longer now and has matured to a point where he is a much more complete driver. Same thing with HAM and his first few years in F1. He was blisteringly quick as soon as he arrived in F1 but had his far share of mistakes and look at him now, one of the most consistent drivers on the grid. The same thing will happen with LEC. I think its pretty obvious he has the talent and pace and just needs a bit more experience to understand the risks with a move like that.

On an unrelated topic, I just read that the timing system during the race experience a glitch and the official checkered flag was shown one lap early. This means that Perez, despite crashing while battling Gasly, was classified in the points. Which is odd, because this new system was implemented to avoid the race being ended early (the race in Montreal a few years ago prompted this new system).
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Interesting race. You all are hypersensitized to the whipper-snappers, good for you. While you're hyper-ing may I suggest you spend a bit of focus on Albon and Mr. Norris. In the meantime the veterans determined the outcome of this race. My only real question is if Vettel's borked start threw LEC off as well. We may never know.
I think VET false start did indeed have an effect on LEC as LEC was just as slow getting off the line. We've all has something similar happen at a red light when the car next to us make's a false start. I think VET slight movement was enough to throw off LEC but he was still quick enough to notice the lights were still red. Processing all of that right before the lights did go out was probably the cause in the delay getting off the line.

Just my opinion though. As you mentioned, we probably wont know for sure unless maybe a reporter thinks about explicitly asking this questions. And even then, I doubt we'll get the full story because its rare we teammates calling each other our for this type of stuff.
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      10-13-2019, 05:54 PM   #187
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Of course he cares...you think if Albon consistently out qualified Verstappen he wouldn't care!
Don't forget Verstappen has also said he would be 2 tenths faster than Hamilton or Leclerc in the same car!!!
The guy is hilarious.
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There was 2 guys here talking smack about Vettel a few weeks back. Where are they now?
Sorry didn't watch it live.

Great quali and race from Vet minus the botched start.
Lec messed up.
LH would have probably been better off trying a one stop, but championship is almost wrapped up he just needs to cruise to the finish.

Again it just shows how great Merc was/is as a team to achieve great results year after year. Even with the faster cars, you still need to finish on Sunday which Ferrari has had but just can't get the job done.
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LH would have probably been better off trying a one stop, but championship is almost wrapped up he just needs to cruise to the finish.
I think it was a decision foisted on him by Toto. Lewis is legendarily good on tires and yet they brought him into the pits with his tires at 70% after 20 laps and only 10 to go. That call gave the race to Bottas. But MB got their manufacturers' crown and that, after all, is the one with the big check.
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Again it just shows how great Merc was/is as a team to achieve great results year after year. Even with the faster cars, you still need to finish on Sunday which Ferrari has had but just can't get the job done.
I think Ferrari is still rebuilding. I like the team; they should be a serious presence next year. Perhaps the drivers need to step up their professionalism and consistency.
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Of course he cares...you think if Albon consistently out qualified Verstappen he wouldn't care!
Don't forget Verstappen has also said he would be 2 tenths faster than Hamilton or Leclerc in the same car!!!
The guy is hilarious.
That was MAX's reaction to Lewis . Because Lewis said at first he would love to get MAX as a team mate with Mercedes . By this I can finally show I'm faster than MAX
You can see it as *Psychological warfare*
While the whole world knows that MAX is doing more with less in the RB15 with HONDA in their first season .

But from what we saw today from Lewis is that his team mate Bottas was faster !
Well ...That's even more hilarious
Side note : Lewis is a fantastic driver.... In the best car of the field
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Interesting...

Initially, race stewards deemed the incident not worthy of investigation but they then changed their mind, eventually saying they would speak to both drivers and conclude their review after the race. LeCrash received 15 seconds' worth of time penalties - five for his role in the incident and 10 because Ferrari, who were also fined *Ä25,000* did not pit him soon enough with a damaged car.

According MAX...

"We had a really good start for once, that was a positive, and then I just stayed on the outside and suddenly into turn two, Charles drove into the side of my car. From my side I don't think I could have done anything different there. We all know that you lose downforce behind the car so that is not an excuse and I think he is experienced enough to know that.

According LeCrash...

"I understeered being behind Sebastian and Lewis, and then we touched," I haven't seen the full situation from the outside. From the car it was just a tricky situation. I have no idea [about a penalty], I need to see the incident."

But LeCrash received *two penalty points on his license* !
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How did MB's strategy for HAM go from 1 stop to 2 stops??
Didn't they have data supporting extreme tire deg due to the extreme lateral loads??
If yes, they could have chosen the hard compound to hopefully make it to 53 laps??
If no....where did MB's data lead them to conclude a 1 stop strategy was acceptable??
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Anybody else not having faith in that new tire life display they had this race? It didn't seem to match what some drivers were saying.
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How did MB's strategy for HAM go from 1 stop to 2 stops??
Didn't they have data supporting extreme tire deg due to the extreme lateral loads??
If yes, they could have chosen the hard compound to hopefully make it to 53 laps??
If no....where did MB's data lead them to conclude a 1 stop strategy was acceptable??
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Anybody else not having faith in that new tire life display they had this race? It didn't seem to match what some drivers were saying.
I'm not sure about it . Like you say it's new . Lewis was called to pit with 70% in green left on his front and rear tires on the display .
Or was it just a Merc-strategy to hand over the victory to Bottas ?
Lewis can cruise to WC anyway...
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How did MB's strategy for HAM go from 1 stop to 2 stops??
Didn't they have data supporting extreme tire deg due to the extreme lateral loads??
If yes, they could have chosen the hard compound to hopefully make it to 53 laps??
If no....where did MB's data lead them to conclude a 1 stop strategy was acceptable??
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Anybody else not having faith in that new tire life display they had this race? It didn't seem to match what some drivers were saying.
I'm not sure about it . Like you say it's new . Lewis was called to pit with 70% in green left on his front and rear tires on the display .
Or was it just a Merc-strategy to hand over the victory to Bottas ?
Lewis can cruise to WC anyway...
Yea that one in particular, didn't Lewis say his rears were shot at that point? I'll have to go back and rewatch...
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Yea that one in particular, didn't Lewis say his rears were shot at that point? I'll have to go back and rewatch...
OK . Let me know
Good night mate . It's 3 AM over here . And last night I didn't slept to watch the race
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It seems to me merc was ok letting bottas have this one, since they were going to secure both championships anyway. Giving the guy a break
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Anybody else not having faith in that new tire life display they had this race? It didn't seem to match what some drivers were saying.
Personally, I think its just a gimmick and a general estimate the developers of the graphics make based on some sort of math/algorithm. I'd be surprised if the teams were providing the data considering how valuable it could be to their competitors.
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