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      08-28-2019, 05:28 PM   #749
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      08-28-2019, 05:32 PM   #750
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WTF 1000HP? that's unnecessary.
That's an opinion.

I mean, I don't feel the need for that much power, but if Chevy really wants to push this Vette as a hypercar or a top end supercar (and I don't know that they do) then it's somewhat of a numbers game. I've had a similar discussion with people about automatic transmissions in high performance cars and part of the reason you can't get a manual in these cars is the autos are much faster and people are drawn to the highest/lowest numbers.
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      08-28-2019, 06:04 PM   #752
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I wonder if the Hybrid thing will be a Cadillac...who knows, it will be interesting to watch!
Not sure why you would think that. I'm sure Cadillac has hybrid high performance vehicles coming, most everyone does, but the 1000 HP thing has been talked about for many months WRT the Vette. It's still unconfirmed, but a whole lot is on the higher end models.
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      08-28-2019, 06:35 PM   #753
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Not sure why you would think that. I'm sure Cadillac has hybrid high performance vehicles coming, most everyone does, but the 1000 HP thing has been talked about for many months WRT the Vette. It's still unconfirmed, but a whole lot is on the higher end models.
True, just a thought.

It makes sense to me to have the base car, that we have, a super charged Z06, and the twin turbo 4 cam ZR1. The price points make sense.

The 1000hp rumored car doesn't make as much sense in the Corvette line up to me. It will have to be pretty expensive, it was mention somewhere I was reading that they are using a Cadillac key fob on the C8.

They are trying to promote Cadillac as the "Technology" brand, and I have read rumors of a mid-engined cadillac for years. It kind of would make sense, for a Halo car, and for the money they would charge for the 1000hp car they could take the interior farther up market, and maybe get a little farther away from the Corvette 'stigma'

Don't know, like I said originally, just some speculation.
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      08-28-2019, 07:20 PM   #754
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Idk if this was posted yet. A list of Chevy dealers selling the C8 at MSRP.

Official list of Dealers at MSRP or not

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...rp-or-not.html
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      08-28-2019, 11:25 PM   #755
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Most of these were confirmed through people placing pre orders. I can confirm Criswell charging msrp. I got an email stating so if I agreed to a refundable $1k deposit.
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      08-29-2019, 06:33 AM   #756
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That dude looks like a complete douche.
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      08-29-2019, 08:09 AM   #757
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That dude looks like a complete douche.
He talks like he's one as well.
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      08-29-2019, 05:52 PM   #758
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I have no desire for a faster model. Is that weird? 500hp just seems like plenty :P
Yes, that is weird. 😜
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Have a bit over 600 in my C6 and Iím seriously considering bumping it up some soon. Having even 950 doesnít mean you have to use it often, just ask guys with LaFerrariís and the like. Ones right foot is the governor but there are certain times itís great to know itís there for the asking and indulge.
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      08-30-2019, 07:10 AM   #760
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Have a bit over 600 in my C6 and I’m seriously considering bumping it up some soon. Having even 950 doesn’t mean you have to use it often, just ask guys with LaFerrari’s and the like. Ones right foot is the governor but there are certain times it’s great to know it’s there for the asking and indulge.
I drove a callaway C7 Z06, with the bigger supercharger...

and found it MUCH less enjoyable to drive than the standard car. With traction control on, it was constantly engaging. With traction control off, you couldn't push the car at all without fear of death.

I far prefer usable power to excessive power.

If the Z06 ends up being a low torque, high revving NA flat plane crank V8 with 650hp, I'd get that over the based model car. If the Z06 ends up being a twin turbo, 750+ hp car, at the same price as the NA Z06, I'd take the base car over it.

I don't see guys with LaFerraris and the like driving their cars hard. I have zero desire for a car I can't drive hard.

If there was a 600-650 hp flat plane crank high revving low torque Z06, I'd want that over the base model corvette.

If the Z06 is a 750hp+ twin turbo, at the same price as the above car, I'd go with the base model (plus grand sport, probably).

It would be great if they did 4 levels
Base (optional grand sport)-- 500 hp
NA flat plane z06 (optional crazy aero Z07 package)-- 650+ hp (can't see them going down in power gen over gen)
twin turbo ZR1-- 750-850hp
hybrid awd Zora -- 1000(+?) hp

Zora being the every man's P1/918.

The C7 Z06 going FI really undermined it, imo-- the Z06 is the track variant, and should never overheat. Once they went FI, it started to overheat on track. A low torque high revving engine would really make the power right foot manageable on track, too.

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      08-30-2019, 08:45 AM   #761
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I drove a callaway C7 Z06, with the bigger supercharger...

and found it MUCH less enjoyable to drive than the standard car. With traction control on, it was constantly engaging. With traction control off, you couldn't push the car at all without fear of death.

I far prefer usable power to excessive power.

If the Z06 ends up being a low torque, high revving NA flat plane crank V8 with 650hp, I'd get that over the based model car. If the Z06 ends up being a twin turbo, 750+ hp car, at the same price as the NA Z06, I'd take the base car over it.

I don't see guys with LaFerraris and the like driving their cars hard. I have zero desire for a car I can't drive hard.
If you had more seat time in the Z06 you likely would have become accustomed to the nuances of the car and enjoyed it more. As you know every car takes a while to learn it’s particular driving requirements to driving fast and safe especially so in a very powerful car. Compounding that when the car has a 1.7( or larger)Eaton charger which produced copious amounts of TQ down low which many aren’t used to. They also make peak power at about 6500 rpm.
Even a half dozen times behind the wheel of a hard charging sports car isn’t long enough to figure it out and feel at ease.
Many guys with super cars, or even fast sports cars I know can and do drive hard on the street. Let’s face it, one can pretty much just use only the first three gears and have a smile on their faces all day long. Track, the gloves come off and tempo goes up. It may be fun driving a slow car fast, it’s more fun driving a fast car faster.

I doubt the upcoming Z06 will be a high spinning NA, with CAFE regs and the amount of them Chevy will likely sell FI is the way to go, as do most makers in these times, including BMW.
Not to mention, Corvette owners like their bottom and middle end torque at the expense of 7000+ rpm, We’ll see.
It’s a good thing that Corvette will have different levels of performance and prices to meet many different needs and wants for potential buyers. One for nearly everyone.

Look at the front end of the C7Z and the C8 not forgetting the flank intakes. There’s a huge increase of breathing capacity and cooling potential. I think GM learned from the mistakes of the C7Z. They also did fix the overheating issues in the car for the most part. M cars are turbos now, many thought that would never happen. FI is the future on the street and track at least until batteries or whatever comes after that takes over everything.
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I can't wait for the Z06.
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Idk if this was posted yet. A list of Chevy dealers selling the C8 at MSRP.

Official list of Dealers at MSRP or not

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...rp-or-not.html
can you dumb down "C7 VOLUME YTD"? Is it their total allocation?
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      08-30-2019, 11:36 AM   #764
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can you dumb down "C7 VOLUME YTD"? Is it their total allocation?
Number of new C7 Corvettes sold by dealer from January 2019 until now. I'm assuming it's until end of July since it was posted in August.

C8 allocations going by C7 volume so the more you sell C7s, the more C8 allocations you will get.
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Idk if this was posted yet. A list of Chevy dealers selling the C8 at MSRP.

Official list of Dealers at MSRP or not

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...rp-or-not.html
I am just absolutely floored by the fact that no CA dealers made it to the top 10. That's INSANE because if you pool the same data for ANY major automotive brands, typically 3 out of the top 10 dealers are in CA.

I think at one point, 3 of the top 10 BMW dealerships in the nation was based within a 15 mile radius in Orange County, CA.

I've seen more M2, M3 and M4 Competition Package cars near where I live than Corvette C7s, even though the C7 outsold them ALL. Wonder why Californians seems to have an aversion to Corvettes?
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I can't wait for the Z06.
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I am just absolutely floored by the fact that no CA dealers made it to the top 10. That's INSANE because if you pool the same data for ANY major automotive brands, typically 3 out of the top 10 dealers are in CA.

I think at one point, 3 of the top 10 BMW dealerships in the nation was based within a 15 mile radius in Orange County, CA.

I've seen more M2, M3 and M4 Competition Package cars near where I live than Corvette C7s, even though the C7 outsold them ALL. Wonder why Californians seems to have an aversion to Corvettes?
There’s no aversion to Corvettes in California. Here’s the list from 2015. Of 102 top dealers Corvette sales Cali has almost 10% of them totaling 1,167 sold. That’s almost as many as Kerbeck who by far sells the most in the country for a good chunk of the N.E. Seems to me like many bought their C7’s earlier and will keep them, trade in or sell private or waiting in anticipation of the C8. They didn’t factor in earlier years sales. A bunch buy cars out of state also to save taxes and likely other costs.
California is chock full of Corvettes and Corvette clubs.
https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2016...alers-of-2015/
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Look at the front end of the C7Z and the C8 not forgetting the flank intakes. There’s a huge increase of breathing capacity and cooling potential. I think GM learned from the mistakes of the C7Z. They also did fix the overheating issues in the car for the most part. M cars are turbos now, many thought that would never happen. FI is the future on the street and track at least until batteries or whatever comes after that takes over everything.
GM learned a lot about track cooling with the ZL1 and ZR1.

I have a feeling the C7 Z06 was initially designed with some severe cost compromises(the C7 being as good as it was with a shoestring budget was a miracle).

The two radiators up front on the C8 are combined much larger than the single on the C7, at least according to the chief engineer. Then add on a third radiator in the rear for the Z51's and the exhaust fans in the engine compartment. It should be good even with a TT V8 sitting back there.
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Sixty to 0 braking: 115 feet
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Sixty to 0 braking: 115 feet
The base modelís 60 mph to 0 mph braking distance is listed at 115.1 feet. The Z51 Corvette takes 108.4 feet Ė according to the notes.

https://www.tflcar.com/2019/08/is-th...ation-numbers/

Braking distance remains just about the same; the 2019 Corvette with the ZR1 package took 107 feet to get from 60 mph to standstill, the ZR1-equipped 2020 Corvette uses 108.4 feet, the entry-level model does the same in 115.1 feet.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/08/28/...-mile-0-to-60/
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