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      01-14-2019, 12:41 PM   #23
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Unfortunate. How awesome would an updated version of this been? (MKIV interior)
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      01-14-2019, 12:42 PM   #24
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As others are saying here, I just posted this in another Supra thread.

I don't get it, why not just get a Z4? It is way more of a BMW than it is a Toyota. Agree with other posters that it isn't great looking inside or out IMO.
Because it's $15k more and .3 seconds slower.
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what sux is the BMW Z4 gets 382hp and the supra only gets 335hp.

same engine though so a quick tune could fix it. I guess detuned to keep BMW on top since they built it.
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Because it's $15k more and .3 seconds slower.
I get the 15k, but I don't get how it would be .3 seconds slower. Is it the Supra that much lighter?

I'd pay the 15k just not to have that hideous Toyota steering wheel they put in there.
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      01-14-2019, 12:46 PM   #27
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So is it literally iDrive with a Toyota skin on it? The inside basically looks like any new BMW. I'm kinda confused by this whole thing. What does it have to do with Toyota, or supra history?

Car looks awesome though.

Also -- no manual?! What are we doin here.
People don't buy manuals, as we all know. I've driven exclusively manual in my performance cars for almost 20 years, got the 135i with DCT and have never, for a second, looked back.

It sounds like the tune is different (BMW claims 50 more hp than toyota for the i6, and BMW is not one to exaggerate power claims, I'm guessing the supra will be highly tuneable). I think everyone has heard how terrible bmw's steering has become, from what I can tell Toyota has a different steering setup that got rave reviews in pre production cars, I'd guess suspension is also different. It's MUCH better looking than the bmw (I don't have the new Z4, but the Supra is far prettier, especially the rear end).

If they managed to get the driving and steering feel of an frs into the Supra, but with almost triple the wheel hp when tuned, for 20k less than the bimmer, sounds pretty great to me. The B58's seems to make crazy power, not sure if they figured out fueling issues on those, but I saw a stage3 (bigger turbo) dyno at 510whp in a 340i.
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      01-14-2019, 12:55 PM   #28
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I had an 1987/88 Supra that looked like the one pictured here. Think the new one looks kinda like the Alfa Romeo 4C.
Mine was like the one I posted. Was not a targa and was maroon.
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I get the 15k, but I don't get how it would be .3 seconds slower. Is it the Supra that much lighter?

I'd pay the 15k just not to have that hideous Toyota steering wheel they put in there.
All I know is:

BMW Press Release: 4.4 seconds
Toyota Press Release: 4.1 seconds

Press Release for Pricing

https://pressroom.toyota.com/release...90+dollars.htm

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Supra is Back with Starting MSRP of $49,990

January 14, 2019
DETROIT (Jan. 14, 2019) – Sports car enthusiasts have been waiting more than 20 years for the return of Supra and will soon be able to purchase the 2020 Toyota GR Supra for a Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price of $49,990.

For those fans and collectors anxious to be among the first owners of this iconic sports car, the initial 1,500 production Supras for the U.S. will be Launch Edition models starting at $55,250. Each will be uniquely numbered and have distinctive features signifying the exclusivity and excitement of Supra’s return. Toyota dealers will be handling all orders and the Launch Edition models go on sale in Summer 2019 starting at $55,250.

The Supra Launch Edition will be available in exterior colors of Absolute Zero White, Nocturnal Black or Renaissance Red 2.0, each featuring high-contrast red mirror caps and 19-inch forged matte black alloy wheels.

The Absolute Zero White and Nocturnal Black Supra Launch Editions will have a red interior. Each of the racing-inspired seats will be wrapped in red leather, with red leather steering wheel grips, and a red center console with carbon-fiber accents.

The Renaissance Red 2.0 Supra Launch Edition will feature a black leather-trimmed interior, with black seats, a black steering wheel, and black center console. The black interior will also feature carbon-fiber accents.

The first 1,500 Supras will feature an individually numbered carbon-fiber badge on the passenger-side dashboard complete with a graphic of Toyota Motor Corporation President and Master Driver Akio Toyoda’s signature.

Different Grades, Same Power
The 2020 Supra will be available in two grades: 3.0 and 3.0 Premium. Both will be powered by a 3.0-liter turbocharged inline six-cylinder engine that produces 335 hp and 365 lb-ft of torque and is mated to an 8-speed automatic transmission with racing-style paddle shifters. Both grades will also come standard with serious performance features including adaptive suspension, an active rear differential and launch control.
The 3.0 grade has a 6.5-inch display with Bluetooth and iPod capability, as well as Alcantara seats. Navigation and JBL Audio will be an available option for an additional $2,460.

The 3.0 Premium grade will feature an upgraded 8.8-inch wide-format touchscreen display with Navigation, Supra Connect telematics services, wireless Apple CarPlay, a premium 12-speaker JBL audio system, wireless phone charging and a color Head-Up Display. The 3.0 Premium grade will also feature heated, leather-trimmed seats.

The Supra Launch Edition will be based on the 3.0 Premium grade.

Standard safety features on both grades, as well as the Launch Edition, include forward collision warning, automatic emergency braking with pedestrian detection, lane departure warning, road sign assist and automatic high beams.

The Driver Assist Package is an additional suite of safety features that will be optional on both grades for an additional $1,195. It includes full speed adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitor, rear cross traffic alert, parking sonar and rear collision warning.

Model # Grade MSRP* 20MY
2372 3.0 $49,990
2374 3.0 Premium $53,990
2375 Launch Edition $55,250 *Does not include the delivery, processing, and handling (DPH) fee of $930
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Mine was like the one I pictured. Was not a targa and was maroon.
Loved my Supra til I totaled it.

Had the nicest, softest perforated leather.

Very smooth manual transmission.

Color was called "Super White."
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All I know is:

BMW Press Release: 4.4 seconds
Toyota Press Release: 4.1 seconds

Press Release for Pricing

https://pressroom.toyota.com/release...90+dollars.htm
That still doesn't answer my question as to the discrepancy in the 0-60 times. Especially since the Z4 M40 will have a lot more power.

It must be a lot heavier.

So reasons to get the Supra, hardtop and cheaper plus most likely handles better without the extra weight.
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That still doesn't answer my question as to the discrepancy in the 0-60 times. Especially since the Z4 M40 will have a lot more power.

It must be a lot heavier.

So reasons to get the Supra, hardtop and cheaper plus most likely handles better without the extra weight.
BMW are also known to be modest with their 0-60, so I'd like to see some real testing for real numbers before overthinking it.
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So much for that advantage.

Check out: "BMW releases updated 0-60 time for Z4 M40i"- https://www.autoblog.com/2019/01/14/...ted-0-60-time/

How are both the Z4 and Zupra 3,400 pounds?!
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That still doesn't answer my question as to the discrepancy in the 0-60 times. Especially since the Z4 M40 will have a lot more power.

It must be a lot heavier.

So reasons to get the Supra, hardtop and cheaper plus most likely handles better without the extra weight.
It can be weight, but it can also be something like slightly different tyres (brand, size) its delivered on.

Or difference in how its measured (full/empty tank etc)
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Loved my Supra til I totaled it.

Had the nicest, softest perforated leather.

Very smooth manual transmission.

Color was called "Super White."
Yeah, and had a button on the console for sport suspension. Was a 5 speed straight 6 with 200 hp I believe.
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BMW are also known to be modest with their 0-60, so I'd like to see some real testing for real numbers before overthinking it.
Yah, I was gonna say this as well, but I didn't want to come off as a fanboy.

But I agree.
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Yeah, and had a button on the console for sport suspension. Was a 5 speed straight 6 with 200 hp I believe.
Yes, and I believe 0 to 60 was a paltry 7 seconds, or thereabouts.

Seemed pretty fast at the time. lol
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Here is the official press release.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/a...the-new-bmw-z4

Z4: 3,443 lb
Supra: 3,397 lb

I think we need an independent head to head comparison in the future.
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Would I be alone in saying this looks far better than the Z4?
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Holy **** first time looking at one in and out and wow does it resemble a bmw in many more ways than i thought. I thought toyota would do there own interior design regardless this thing is gonna sell like crazy
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      01-14-2019, 01:26 PM   #42
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Odd, the EU Supra comes in at 1495 kg or 3296 lbs.

https://www.supramkv.com/attachments...7bb-png.11158/
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There are lots of ways to weigh a vehicle (tank full/empty, driver included or not, baggage included or not, vehicle # options fitted etc etc)

...still none of that will make it a particularly light vehicle.
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Lol they just raided the BMW interior parts warehouse. BMW light switches, steering wheel, climate control, even iDrive. I guess that quote about the teams not having communicated since 2014 was BS.

This is basically a cheaper Z4 M40i hit with an ugly stick.
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