[NGT2]

Originally Posted by adhrp

You have to replace your brakes and tires in a few months?? My brakes are fine 1.5 yrs in and surprisingly plenty of tread left on the tires too. I believe my car got new factory tires on the back and the PO had replaced the front Michelins just prior to lease return as those had full tread when I bought the car. Plenty of life left on both the brakes and tires after putting about 16K miles on the car since I bought it.

Mine wasn’t CPO so I think the brakes already measured slightly less than a CPO would have to. I put the tires on when I got it 13 months ago. I have an oil change this week so I’ll see where I am with both. But based on where the brakes and tires measured 6 weeks ago, relative to when I bought it, I estimated I’d need brakes and another set of tires by the end of the year. Tires maybe sooner, brakes maybe January. But more or less both by end of year. I also drive somewhat aggressively. I don’t floor it hardly ever and I don’t launch it, but I do accelerate hard and I like to take turns hard. I’m sure my driving style has a lot to do with the brake and tire wear. But hey, I bought it to drive it.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by NGT2

Is this their first BMW? The depreciation is nothing new. And if they’re not used to maintenance on something like an M550, they could be having sticker shock at the costs to replace normal stuff like brakes and how often they eat through tires. I’ll have to do both later this year and it ain’t exactly Toyota maintenance. But people need to know what they’re buying. There’s a reason it depreciates. It’s not cheap to own, relative to a normal sedan or SUV.

Though some are longtime owners, seems like many there didn't go into 2nd- or 3rd-hand ownership of the G30 with higher miles and a full understanding of what they were getting into. Talk of going back to a Honda, Toyota or Lexus though.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

Though some are longtime owners, seems like many there didn't go into 2nd- or 3rd-hand ownership of the G30 with higher miles and a full understanding of what they were getting into. Talk of going back to a Honda, Toyota or Lexus though.

I don’t know why someone would buy a BMW performance model with a V8 and big brakes and assume the maintenance would be on par with a Lexus.

You’re buying a $90k car for $60k but you’re still maintaining a $90k car.

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by NGT2

Mine wasn’t CPO so I think the brakes already measured slightly less than a CPO would have to. I put the tires on when I got it 13 months ago. I have an oil change this week so I’ll see where I am with both. But based on where the brakes and tires measured 6 weeks ago, relative to when I bought it, I estimated I’d need brakes and another set of tires by the end of the year. Tires maybe sooner, brakes maybe January. But more or less both by end of year. I also drive somewhat aggressively. I don’t floor it hardly ever and I don’t launch it, but I do accelerate hard and I like to take turns hard. I’m sure my driving style has a lot to do with the brake and tire wear. But hey, I bought it to drive it.

Gotcha. Mine wasn't CPO either but I think the dealership did a nice job of refreshing components before delivering it to me.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by NGT2

I don’t know why someone would buy a BMW performance model with a V8 and big brakes and assume the maintenance would be on par with a Lexus.

You’re buying a $90k car for $60k but you’re still maintaining a $90k car.

So not quite the same thing, but I read this over in the G60 forum and thought why TF would you spend $95k for this experience? This is not a luxury experience. And yet plenty of early adopters over there think, yeah a bit of a pain but worth saving the planet for this. F’king insanity if you ask me.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2097112

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

So not quite the same thing, but I read this over in the G60 forum and thought why TF would you spend $95k for this experience? This is not a luxury experience. And yet plenty of early adopters over there think, yeah a bit of a pain but worth saving the planet for this. F’king insanity if you ask me.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2097112

I don’t get it. That’s not attractive at all. I can’t deal with having a car that can’t handle an unpredictable life. One day the chargers will be everywhere but not today, at least not around here. Also, paying for power at a charger isn’t much different than paying for gas. There’s nothing attractive about it to me. I’ve driven the i5 M60. It’s super fast. That’s it.

I just drove my M550 home in sport mode with the shifter to the left. Guess what… also super fast. And a better soundtrack

[BlueSander]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

So not quite the same thing, but I read this over in the G60 forum and thought why TF would you spend $95k for this experience? This is not a luxury experience. And yet plenty of early adopters over there think, yeah a bit of a pain but worth saving the planet for this. F’king insanity if you ask me.

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2097112

yea, many ppl are just hardheads. I have warned everyone I know not to buy any EVs, except for a Tesla.

Company put me in a model S for work every now and then. I did over 20k miles on multiple Tesla's and people in my family still say if they were to get an EV, they would rather buy a Mercedes or BMW over a Tesla blah blah blah....
There has been too many times I see ppl with their 100k+ EQS sitting in a dark corner trying to charge at close to midnight. It's like putting yourself as bait out there waiting for something to happen. This is before we even start talking about how technically challenged other charging networks are. They can barely code for their lives, sub everything out to Chinese contractors and now deliver sub-par charging services.

Many here swapped out run-flat tires after one bad incident, I myself included. You can't swap out charging network. That's also one of the reason why depreciation is off the roof on these EV as well.

[Gautam]

Originally Posted by BlueSander

yea, many ppl are just hard heads. I have warned everyone I know not to buy any EVs, except for a Tesla.

Company put me in a model S for work every now and then. I did over 20k miles on multiple Tesla's and people in my family still say if they were to get an EV, they would rather buy a Mercedes or BMW over a Tesla blah blah blah....
There has been too many times I see ppl with their 100k+ EQS sitting in a dark corner trying to charge at close to midnight. It's like putting yourself as bait out there waiting for something to happen.

Many here swapped out run-flat tires after one bad incident, I myself included. You can't swap out charging network. That's also one of the reason why depreciation is off the roof on these EV as well.

My charging experience even with Tesla wasn't much better honestly, granted that was a few years ago, and was basically the same with the iX loaner I had last month. I was expecting crap, so I was mentally prepared to go to war with multiple charging apps and busted stations, both of which I got plenty of in only a span of a week, in the world's EV capital, the CA Bay Area.

In my mind EV's are good for distances around 50 miles each way. At that distance, you have a solid buffer for the round trip, factoring in extreme temperatures, hills, and other unforeseen circumstances, while not being dependent on public chargers altogether. That's good enough to cover grocery runs and work commutes for most of us, for which cases EV's are fantastic.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by NGT2

I just drove my M550 home in sport mode with the shifter to the left. Guess what… also super fast. And a better soundtrack

tell me, did you run out of gas? that's my main concern with the 550 driving hard, you can see the gas needle dropping!

so i have car that drinks gas like tequila, and a car that can empty an entire nuclear power plant supply

but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by G30M

tell me, did you run out of gas? that's my main concern with the 550 driving hard, you can see the gas needle dropping!

so i have car that drinks gas like tequila, and a car that can empty an entire nuclear power plant supply

but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do

Maybe it was a rhetorical question but my bet is he didn’t. And even if he was below 1/4 tank the burn rate was pretty predictable/constant unlike that EV. So he knew he could get home or to the gas station down the street no problem.

My E90 M3 routinely got no better than 15mpg, 280 miles per tank, and I was refilling every 4-5 days. You could see the fuel gauge needle drop which is why it came with a $1500 gas guzzler tax on the sticker. It was a bit of a hassle but I put up with it for 7 years because the car was so much fun to drive and practical too. But I never worried about getting to the nearest station to fill up, it didn’t get markedly worse mileage in rain or on hills, and the full power was always available. Why anyone would pay for an experience like that EV thread is beyond me.

[AP]

The whole point of a car is convienience. I just don’t see waiting at a charging station for it to be fire and the waiting for it to charge as convenient.
You should have to rework your day around the charging, it should be the other way

No doubt technooogy at some point will improve but at the moment , it’s a flawed approach
It works for some but for most I just don’t get the practicalities at all

[tsbrown]

I saw an interview with Gordon Murray, Christian Von Koenigsegg, John Hennessy and Mate Rimac. They were asked what the automobile meant to them. The most common answer was freedom. Having to plan your entire trip around charging networks only to sit for an hour each time is anything but freedom and convenience. It’s like when we’d visit our son in LA and you have to plan your entire day around traffic. Even he got fed up with it after 4 years. Sure the EV infrastructure will eventually develop to something approximating the gas station infrastructure but that still looks to be at least 10 years off. Long live the (G30) king.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

Why anyone would pay for an experience like that EV thread is beyond me.

because it drives better than any gas BMWs i've ever driven (subjective i know), and I have a charger at each of my houses.

if no charger, I take the V8. if my V8 dies I'm getting either a M3 or M5 (probably M3 as M5s would be gone by then)

also our country's Green party when they were voted some seats they filled up our oil refinery with concrete, so thanks to them our gas supply is now bottlenecked by whether ships can bring refined oil into the country. where as our power is generated by wind and hydro (well the vast majority of it) so if big bullies attack our tiny colony at least I can still cruise around in luxury. but the gas supply is secondary. it just drives better than my gas cars so it was a no brainer at 40% discount.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by G30M

because it drives better than any gas BMWs i've ever driven (subjective i know), and I have a charger at each of my houses.

if no charger, I take the V8. if my V8 dies I'm getting either a M3 or M5 (probably M3 as M5s would be gone by then)

also our country's Green party when they were voted some seats they filled up our oil refinery with concrete, so thanks to them our gas supply is now bottlenecked by whether ships can bring refined oil into the country. where as our power is generated by wind and hydro (well the vast majority of it) so if big bullies attack our tiny colony at least I can still cruise around in luxury. but the gas supply is secondary. it just drives better than my gas cars so it was a no brainer at 40% discount.

Fair enough but the situation is different here for us Americans. Your “colony” has as much land as ours but everyone is concentrated on the coasts I think. And we have a Green Party too, they just go by a different name. I’ve driven the i4 M50 and didn’t care for it. Drove the G60 540i and it’s more of a 740i M sport (we owned an E38 740i back in the day) so even though I haven’t driven the i5 M60 I just don’t really have any interest no matter how much power it has.

[HerkHealer]

Any person who debates gas mileage in a M550 530 HP twin turbo V8, 4 door sedan, should be kicked in the face by a Donkey on steroids.
It's just Stupid.

[NGT2]

I have an 840i GC loaner (regular service). Really excited to get some wheel time in any 8 GC. Its pretty badass. Handling is phenomenal, especially given the size. Doesn’t drive like a boat at all. Very planted. Not much roll. Good exhaust note, even in the 40i trim. The ride is very comfortable. Surprisingly so, even. But the seats are much sportier and not as comfortable as the G30 multi contour. I’m reserving judgment to try and get more time and mess with the position some more. But it COULD be enough to make me shy away from it on the next round. But damn, everything else about is super attractive. And I did fit my clubs in the trunk… barely… but you can’t fit much else with them.

This is the last car on the list for me to cross off, as far as potential alternatives. If I walk away from this still saying the next car is another, newer, G30 then it’s truly irreplaceable for me (given that Porsche isn’t attainable for my budget).

It is funny how I get spoiled. The car is awesome but I know two things - I don’t want to go back to HK stereo and I can’t help but feel slow even though it’s still an objectively fast car with the B58. Sport plus and shifter to the left and I still never felt like the power could overwhelm me. The V8 is just a monster and it’s hard to go back from it.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by NGT2

I have an 840i GC loaner (regular service). Really excited to get some wheel time in any 8 GC. Its pretty badass. Handling is phenomenal, especially given the size. Doesn’t drive like a boat at all. Very planted. Not much roll. Good exhaust note, even in the 40i trim. The ride is very comfortable. Surprisingly so, even. But the seats are much sportier and not as comfortable as the G30 multi contour. I’m reserving judgment to try and get more time and mess with the position some more. But it COULD be enough to make me shy away from it on the next round. But damn, everything else about is super attractive. And I did fit my clubs in the trunk… barely… but you can’t fit much else with them.

This is the last car on the list for me to cross off, as far as potential alternatives. If I walk away from this still saying the next car is another, newer, G30 then it’s truly irreplaceable for me (given that Porsche isn’t attainable for my budget).

It is funny how I get spoiled. The car is awesome but I know two things - I don’t want to go back to HK stereo and I can’t help but feel slow even though it’s still an objectively fast car with the B58. Sport plus and shifter to the left and I still never felt like the power could overwhelm me. The V8 is just a monster and it’s hard to go back from it.

That's a really nice spec 840i GC. And you're finding the same things I did on my test drive (hope I didn't poison the well with those thoughts). If I could resolve 2 issues with this car I'd probably buy one sooner than later - seating position and trunk space. Otherwise really, really like this car.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

That's a really nice spec 840i GC. And you're finding the same things I did on my test drive (hope I didn't poison the well with those thoughts). If I could resolve 2 issues with this car I'd probably buy one sooner than later - seating position and trunk space. Otherwise really, really like this car.

If I could put the rear of the M550 on the back of the 8-series, I’d also take a look. Trunk space isn’t an issue and I’ll reserve my opinion on the seats until I put my ass in one.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

If I could put the rear of the M550 on the back of the 8-series, I’d also take a look. Trunk space isn’t an issue and I’ll reserve my opinion on the seats until I put my ass in one.

I don’t dislike the rear view as much as you do, but like NGT2 I need space for clubs and a push cart (much prefer to walk). Was behind an Alpina B8 today and it looked really nice.

[E3_550]

Originally Posted by NGT2

I have an 840i GC loaner (regular service). Really excited to get some wheel time in any 8 GC. Its pretty badass. Handling is phenomenal, especially given the size. Doesn’t drive like a boat at all. Very planted. Not much roll. Good exhaust note, even in the 40i trim. The ride is very comfortable. Surprisingly so, even. But the seats are much sportier and not as comfortable as the G30 multi contour. I’m reserving judgment to try and get more time and mess with the position some more. But it COULD be enough to make me shy away from it on the next round. But damn, everything else about is super attractive. And I did fit my clubs in the trunk… barely… but you can’t fit much else with them.

This is the last car on the list for me to cross off, as far as potential alternatives. If I walk away from this still saying the next car is another, newer, G30 then it’s truly irreplaceable for me (given that Porsche isn’t attainable for my budget).

It is funny how I get spoiled. The car is awesome but I know two things - I don’t want to go back to HK stereo and I can’t help but feel slow even though it’s still an objectively fast car with the B58. Sport plus and shifter to the left and I still never felt like the power could overwhelm me. The V8 is just a monster and it’s hard to go back from it.

That appears to be the same 840 loaner I had a several months ago. Had it for two weeks while my car was in for a repair. Think I managed to put 1600 miles on it! I was glad to get my 550 back, missed the V8.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by E3_550

That appears to be the same 840 loaner I had a several months ago. Had it for two weeks while my car was in for a repair. Think I managed to put 1600 miles on it! I was glad to get my 550 back, missed the V8.

Pretty fun loaner! I do miss the V8. A V8 would make this car really fun. It’s hard to feel as comfortable in it though. As a one car, daily driver the M550 is just freaking hard to beat. I think I got the seat where I like it better but it’s just a more confined cabin by design. In some respects it’s a really cool feel and in some you feel like there’s just a subtle level of comfort you can’t seem to unlock. That’s how it feels to me after 24 hours, anyway. I imagine you just get conditioned if you drive it everyday. It’s enormous but it drives great.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

I don’t dislike the rear view as much as you do, but like NGT2 I need space for clubs and a push cart (much prefer to walk). Was behind an Alpina B8 today and it looked really nice.

90% of the time, my clubs are the only ones in the trunk. We all just meet at the club. Someday when I’m old and don’t workout two hours a day every day, I’ll walk the course for some exercise and to burn some calories. You can drink more when you take a cart😉