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      12-16-2020, 03:10 PM   #2729
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i've never cj before, is it a solid addition to compound lifts? i've always wanted to try. How does it differ from squats, deads and overhead press - from your experience? in terms of muscle groups worked etc?
It's more of an explosive movement. Squats, deads, and overhead presses are controlled lifts for the most part. With clean and jerks you use more momentum. I'd start with working on wrist flexibility - you can do this with front squats, elbows up. This will help with proper form on the cleans. It is morely power training, this is why you see it often on regimens of sport teams as well as highschool/college athletics. Helps further fast twitch muscle fibers and things of that nature.
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glad you did... the last (and only) time i did front squats i thought "these seem like a good primer for doing c&j's."
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Funny you should say that and i'm
glad you did... the last (and only) time i did front squats i thought "these seem like a good primer for doing c&j's."
Haha that they are. Scrutinize the form and clean and jerks will come easier. Bar should be resting on your front delts, elbows up, bar should be rolled back near the tips of your fingers damn near choking you. Easier to show then to explain as you can probably tell lmao.
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I miss the gym

When I ran Wednesday, even with a shirt and reflective vest, my little spyder pack slipped on/off so easily, no muscle to get in the way upper body.

All I have at home right now is a 50 bell and 20 ball. Well, and the 200 pounds of flesh. Got to figure out some jail cell workouts now. . .
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I miss the gym

When I ran Wednesday, even with a shirt and reflective vest, my little spyder pack slipped on/off so easily, no muscle to get in the way upper body.

All I have at home right now is a 50 bell and 20 ball. Well, and the 200 pounds of flesh. Got to figure out some jail cell workouts now. . .
You'd be surprised the amount of work you can put in with just your body weight. It may take a little more effort and creativity, but it sounds like you are making excuses at this point lol

Push ups, hand stand push ups (shoulders), close grip push ups (triceps), dips, burpees, tons of core work you can put in, lunges, step-ups, squats, hip thrusts while on your back (hamstrings), etc etc etc
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1 mile / 1800 yds in the pool today, first time for me.

Exertion level was fine, it wasn't too much of a strain to achieve 1 mile. But I bonked later in the day. I ate some carbs and drank water and coffee about 25 minutes prior to the swim.
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Been crushing legs and trying to up my weight half pound a week. My legs are retarded won't listen to me
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I wouldn't let leg size get in your head - you may just be built more for running and jumping - a lot of bodybuilders aren't going to grow their legs below their knees all that much - although over time you can slowly add some size. Look at Larry Wheels legs. Huge quads, but below the knee - avg/small.
Is it your whole leg that you think is small or mainly from knee down?
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      12-20-2020, 10:08 AM   #2736
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Entire leg. Pisses me off.
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i've never cj before, is it a solid addition to compound lifts? i've always wanted to try. How does it differ from squats, deads and overhead press - from your experience? in terms of muscle groups worked etc?
So you have squat cleans and power cleans - squat cleans you take the bar from the floor into the front rack position and front squat it. Power cleans is simply bringing the bar from the floor into the front rack position without squatting. Both are great for power development and will make you stronger overall. In terms of positioning compared to deadlifts, with cleans you are going to start with a vertical torso compared to a standard DL where you are purely hip hinging. As far as muscles worked, it's really a full body movement. Mainly lower body and core of course. I will say that when I do heavier cleans my traps get very sore due to the pull component and receiving of the bar.

As far as jerks, you have push jerks and split jerks. I wouldn't really recommend spending a lot of time on split jerks unless you really want to get into olympic weightlifting. Push jerks are a great overhead movement that you can use to supplement your shoulder/push days. Solid movement for training explosiveness and overhead stability. Push press is another great overhead movement you can do on shoulder days to incorporate some leg drive to get more weight overhead. It can be a nice variation to just standard strict press.

Generally speaking, they make you faster and more powerful.
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I'm interested in adding them to mix up my routine and appreciate the breakdown for the variations of each. If you happen upon a great video for form feel free to post it, otherwise I'll look for some from some of my sources. I'm extremely visual when it comes to learning this stuff.
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I'm interested in adding them to mix up my routine and appreciate the breakdown for the variations of each. If you happen upon a great video for form feel free to post it, otherwise I'll look for some from some of my sources. I'm extremely visual when it comes to learning this stuff.
I'm the same way. Here are a few short movement demos from Rogue that aren't bad:




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Got some work in at 85% last night that didn't feel nearly as heavy as I thought it would. Recently got a package of ammonia inhalants which are great going into a heavy day when you aren't 100% into it.

Back squats @ 85% (310) x3 reps every minute for 6 minutes

Finished up with some DB box step ups, wall balls, and toes to bar.
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      12-22-2020, 09:35 AM   #2741
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I watched Drew Breeze warm-up before the game. Face down, arms straight to the side, heels to the opposite hand.

I give myself 2 weeks to get somewhere near that. Continuing my back stretches is about all I'm getting done these days.
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Made it to my gym yesterday an hour before it closed for the holiday - ended with 315 x 5 squat and 315 x 6 and 325 x 6 deadlift. Finished with 135 x 7 overhead barbell press. Feels good to be creating a new baseline for expectations. 198 - 202 lbs.
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Thats good sir. Only did shoulders and calves at home. Did do some overhead press without any real pain 135x10 for couple sets.

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Any thoughts on Mutant Mass? I'm looking into weight gainers to help me get off of the plateau I'm on.
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Never tried it but "Dymatize Super Mass Gainer" has been great for me.
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How is it great for you if never tried it?
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Finally got back in the gym this morning. Haven't been there since the 18th! Longest break I have taken this year. Body felt good though, surprisingly did not put on much weight over the Holiday. Plan is to start cutting for the wedding soon although my fiance brought home way too much candy that I had insisted we leave back in PA. Plan is to haul some of those sweets into the office and give them to coworkers while she is asleep haha.

Today was back and triceps, tomorrow will shoulder and biceps. Since I'll be cutting, I'll be increasing cardio and working on more flexibility.
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Pool day last Saturday, swam almost a mile. Felt good. Deltoid is still healing, it’s been a month. Either I gave it a pretty good tear, or I am not healing as fast as I used to. Most likely the latter!
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How is it great for you if never tried it?
"Mutant Mass" I haven't tried - The brand i provided has been great for adding and keeping weight on. Sometimes I post very quickly, and posts can lack proper punctuation.

Up in the mountains and at the gym here masks are mandatory while lifting. Add the thin mountain air and working out is a real cardiovascular challenge. My gym back home only requires masks in common areas, since it's appointment based.
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