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      02-28-2017, 12:59 PM   #45
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as I have mentioned in other posts , my personal belief is that we will see a swing from diesel to petrol over the next few years , but how much , difficult to say.
This is just based upon an ever increasing war on diesels that we are seeing in the press on what seems a more regular basis now.
anyway my question still stands as to whethe adaptive msport suspension will ever come to the UK.
I was wondering the same. There already seems to a be a swing towards more efficient petrol engines in smaller (smaller engine) cars. The 6 cylinder diesels seem to be the sweet spot in the G30 range. I guess this will continue to be the case whilst PCP and contract hire rates favour diesels, but I wonder to what extent negative political sentiment towards diesel might start to change this, and buyer behaviour.
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... but sods law, since I locked in my order, politicians start talking about equalising petrol and diesel prices as a first step to weaning us off diesel!!!)
Interesting... I hadn't seen that in the press... yet... but how would you equalise prices ??

If you make Diesel cheaper, Diesel car stay attractive
If you make Petrol more expensive, no attraction to stop using Diesel cars

I must be missing the obvious
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Interesting... I hadn't seen that in the press... yet... but how would you equalise prices ??

If you make Diesel cheaper, Diesel car stay attractive
If you make Petrol more expensive, no attraction to stop using Diesel cars

I must be missing the obvious
Poster is in Ireland, diesel has been a lot cheaper than petrol over there.
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Interesting... I hadn't seen that in the press... yet... but how would you equalise prices ??

If you make Diesel cheaper, Diesel car stay attractive
If you make Petrol more expensive, no attraction to stop using Diesel cars

I must be missing the obvious
I was referring to the situation in Ireland where diesel is currently at least €0.10 cheaper per litre so they will increase the cost of diesel methinks.
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Poster is in Ireland, diesel has been a lot cheaper than petrol over there.
OK, that makes sense then... I didn't know it's only the UK where we get ripped off...

...what annoys me most is for company cars at my multi-national, we can only order Diesel... and pay higher BIK tax on Diesel for the privilege
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OK, that makes sense then... I didn't know it's only the UK where we get ripped off...

...what annoys me most is for company cars at my multi-national, we can only order Diesel... and pay higher BIK tax on Diesel for the privilege
I guess company car policy will have to slowly adjust, to reflect any political swing. Companies will have been seeing a 'diesel only' policy as doing their "eco friendly" part.

Your next car may have to be a 540i.
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Yes, BMW have stated all G30 diesels will have SCR with AdBlue.
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540i is certainly a very strong contender for me in 2018 which is when I'm thinking of changing from my F10 530d.
Living in Greater London, any congestion charge or "penalty" for driving a diesel in London is a put off.(I'm literally 200 yards from the planned ultra emission zone that is planned for London).
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540i is certainly a very strong contender for me in 2018 which is when I'm thinking of changing from my F10 530d.
Living in Greater London, any congestion charge or "penalty" for driving a diesel in London is a put off.(I'm literally 200 yards from the planned ultra emission zone that is planned for London).
In Ireland the 540i MSport costs €15k more than the 530d MSport, annual vehicle tax is at least double the €380 for the diesel, there is the 10+ cent per litre premium for the fuel and then there's the lower MPG.. Adds up to quite a bit....
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UK prices for 530d awd verusus 540i awd are fairly close although you could argue that petrol wise you have to select awd for the 540i but you dont have to specify awd for the 530d
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I guess company car policy will have to slowly adjust, to reflect any political swing. Companies will have been seeing a 'diesel only' policy as doing their "eco friendly" part.

Your next car may have to be a 540i.
Its a long wait, 4 years, new diesel arrives Thursday 😃
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Sorry, just one more time for US buyers: if I want a very comfortable ride on a 540i xDrive, I should get Dynamic Damper Control. Getting the Dynamic Handling Package (with DDC and Adaptive Drive and Active Roll Stabilization) doesn't buy me any more comfort, correct?

Don't get the M Sport Suspension if I am looking for a comfy ride.

Could you please confirm? Just from the various posts, it doesn't sound there is a big difference between DDC and no-DDC?
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I think the answer is yes. But the point they make is DDC can't be ordered standalone. Can only order DHP complete in the configurator
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Could you please confirm? Just from the various posts, it doesn't sound there is a big difference between DDC and no-DDC?
From my perspective it is how we define comfort. Just a softer ride and possibly more bounce, or decent ride quality without a sloppy chassis. More a "soft where possible, firm where necessary" ride comfort.

The whole idea of DDC and continuously variable damping, is to give the best compromise of comfort and a controlled chassis. For me that gives greater comfort.

In the G30, we are not going to know how the passive and DDC compare, unless we 'back to back' test (with the same wheels).

With the F10 we have three base settings with VDC/DDC, the middle setting being more like the standard passive setup, best matched to the spring rate, but a more refined ride than passive. Comfort+ being even softer.

With just the two base settings in the G30, I'm minded that the Comfort setting will be softer riding than the passive suspension. Simply due to Comfort and Sport modes being a compromise around the spring rate.

A test drive is the only way to really gauge the true differences.
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Sorry, just one more time for US buyers: if I want a very comfortable ride on a 540i xDrive, I should get Dynamic Damper Control. Getting the Dynamic Handling Package (with DDC and Adaptive Drive and Active Roll Stabilization) doesn't buy me any more comfort, correct?

Don't get the M Sport Suspension if I am looking for a comfy ride.

Could you please confirm? Just from the various posts, it doesn't sound there is a big difference between DDC and no-DDC?
If you want a comfortable ride just get the standard suspension with the premium package and you'll be fine. DDC is not available any more in the US. For you DHP is not worth $3500 extra. If you want an extra comfortable ride don't get the 19" or 20" wheels. OR if you want the M Sport look with a comfortable ride, order the M Sport Package and ask you CA to special order with the standard suspension.
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UK prices for 530d awd verusus 540i awd are fairly close although you could argue that petrol wise you have to select awd for the 540i but you dont have to specify awd for the 530d
I know this has kind of hijacked the purpose of the original thread but yes, saw that 540i and 530d are very similar in price in the UK. I assume this is because of the way our tax system operates...but if I was over there, I would be changing my order for the petrol model instantly, not only for the sweeter engine but also doing my bit for the environment, now that we have all learned about the dirty NO in diesels
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If you want a comfortable ride just get the standard suspension with the premium package and you'll be fine. DDC is not available any more in the US. For you DHP is not worth $3500 extra. If you want an extra comfortable ride don't get the 19" or 20" wheels. OR if you want the M Sport look with a comfortable ride, order the M Sport Package and ask you CA to special order with the standard suspension.
Just a small question, what does the Premium Package have that offers comfort (perhaps I am missing something)..

From US Configurator:


Premium Package


$1,950

• Wireless Charging and WiFi Hotspot
• SiriusXM Satellite Radio with 1year All Access Subscription
• Icon Adaptive Full LED Headlights
• Comfort Access keyless entry
• Automatic high beams

IMHO if the buyer elects not to have the $3,500 Premium package, then the beter option would be to delete M Sport Suspension, or not get M Sport Package...
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