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      05-17-2019, 09:42 PM   #45
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This absolutely renders the M5 an emotional purchase as the M550i is now officially a BEAST, and the better, cheaper, still super fast, rational choice for those who don't want the zero compromises (and oh yeah pay an extra $25k) M5. This will be a 0-60 in 3.5 car, guaranteed. Holy smokes.
Nah, the m5 handles and brakes better than the m550.
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Yes, iDrive7 for 2020.
I can't see any reference in any of the press releases.
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This absolutely renders the M5 an emotional purchase as the M550i is now officially a BEAST, and the better, cheaper, still super fast, rational choice for those who don't want the zero compromises (and oh yeah pay an extra $25k) M5. This will be a 0-60 in 3.5 car, guaranteed. Holy smokes.
Nah, the m5 handles and brakes better than the m550.
Is that worth 30k more? To some people yes. But this upgrade narrowed the gap
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I'm seeing speculation surrounding the 540i getting the high output B58B30O1 engine at some point. There is absolutely no evidence to support this. The 540i (and 640i GT) will switch from the current B58B30M0 to the B58B30M1 engine for MY2020, a "silent" update that will bring no change in peak power, but will bring it up to spec with the 740i LCI, imminent 840i, X5 40i, imminent X6 40i, and X7 40i. There are no plans for M40i M performance vehicles in the 5/6/7/8 product families, and no plans to use the O1 engine outside of the 3/4 product families.
A 540i with a ~400hp version of the O1 would be a logical step, but maybe not until 2021?
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A 540i with a ~400hp version of the O1 would be a logical step, but maybe not until 2021?
If the X5, X7 and 7 series are any indicator, BMW seems to be using the M1 revision of the B58. Only a small torque bump.

The O1 revision (380hp) isn't emissions compliant worldwide. They might use the O1 for the 540i in NA markets but they aren't for the 740, X5, X7. At least not yet.
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A 540i with a ~400hp version of the O1 would be a logical step, but maybe not until 2021?
From a marketing perspective, BMW will not want to put a M40i engine in any model line that has the M50i engine.
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so its getting the same engine as the m850. that means the m550 is going to sound incredible. that new design is the first turbo engine from bmw that doesn't need any mods to sound really good.
I'm not sure why anyone would really think that. There is no mention of the M550i getting the same exhaust as the M850i. Unfortunately, BMW will tailor the exhaust to the different target audience and they probably perceive as M550i buyers wanting to be more understated than an M850i buyer.

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This absolutely renders the M5 an emotional purchase as the M550i is now officially a BEAST, and the better, cheaper, still super fast, rational choice for those who don't want the zero compromises (and oh yeah pay an extra $25k) M5. This will be a 0-60 in 3.5 car, guaranteed. Holy smokes.
Doubtful. There are LOTS more to an M5/M5c than HP. Suspension and brakes just to name a couple of major obvious differences between the two cars.

The price for an M5 is a bit more complex when leasing when you consider the delta in residual and factor in that the M5 has been getting another $5k in incentives that the M5c doesn't.

2019 M550i Base $74,450 and 60% residual + $1500 lease credit
2019 M5 Base $102,700 and 55% residual + $5000 lease credit
2019 M5c $110,000 and 55% residual + $0 lease credit
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A 540i with a ~400hp version of the O1 would be a logical step, but maybe not until 2021?
As I said, there is no evidence to support such a change, and it is strongly unlikely to happen, period.

BMW has a very clear strategy in mind, which I covered in my post. They are not going to update everything to the M1 only to have to go and do it again with the O1 in a couple short years. If the O1 were in the cards, it’s already in the parts bin today, and they’d be installing it now if it were part of their strategy.

For now, if you want more power, the M550i is there. And if you look at what BMW’s competition is doing, there is plenty reason to be thankful. Your alternate choices are the 450hp V6-powered S6 or the 429hp I6-powered E53. BMW doesn’t need a second six cylinder model because they instead offer a second V8 model that buries the competitors.

Now, a potential 545e PHEV would make some sense as a step-up model, but there is no evidence of that either (though it at least has a chance since it fits into their product matrix). Further out, the next generation I6-equipped G60 5 Series is sure to have more power from a further evolved B58 (a TU2 in BMW parlance), perhaps close to what today’s O1 produces. But an O1 equipped G30, be it a 540i, an M540i, or any other name we could dream up is almost surely not happening.
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If the X5, X7 and 7 series are any indicator, BMW seems to be using the M1 revision of the B58. Only a small torque bump.
Yes, like I said, those models, plus the about-to-drop-any-moment M1-powered 840i and X6 40i are about as clear a message you can get.

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The O1 revision (380hp) isn't emissions compliant worldwide. They might use the O1 for the 540 in NA markets but they aren't for the 740, X5, X7. At least not yet.
It’s not true, but it’s a common misconception so I understand your confusion. The O1 absolutely is emissions compliant worldwide. It is being used in the M340i everywhere today, and will soon be used in the X3 M40i and X4 M40i globally, and later in the M440i globally as well.

It is true that the O1 requires additional emissions equipment in WLTP nations which reduces its output slightly (by 8hp). This is the case for the M340i and will also be the case for the other M Performance vehicles I just named above. The Z4 M40i is an outlier - a special case where the M1 stands in for the O1. It is unknown why, but educated speculation is that the additional emissions equipment required for WLTP is incompatible with the Z4 packaging.

So, BMW could put the O1 in every model in the range in any country. But they aren’t. And they aren’t because that’s not how they designed the product hierarchy.
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It’s not true, but it’s a common misconception so I understand your confusion. The O1 absolutely is emissions compliant worldwide. It is being used in the M340i everywhere today, and will soon be used in the X3 M40i and X4 M40i globally, and later in the M440i globally as well.
guess the wiki article is wrong then (not surprised)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_B58
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guess the wiki article is wrong then (not surprised)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_B58
Yes, the Wikipedia entry is wrong with regard to the M340i. I’d seen that before and had even considered changing it. I’ve held off though, partly because it would also beckon more changes such as updating the heading and the table earlier in the passage to include another row for the WLTP output. I’m hoping someone whose OCD is more severe than mine will eventually take up the task. Perhaps once the X3 and X4 are updated the tide of wrongness will become too strong to ignore.
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LOL That's why you never want to get the first model of any BMW series because the next one is always better. Quick example, Like the F80 M3 came out in 2015, and THEN 2016 is an LCI AND COMPETITION is offered.
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LOL That's why you never want to get the first model of any BMW series because the next one is always better. Quick example, Like the F80 M3 came out in 2015, and THEN 2016 is an LCI AND COMPETITION is offered.
I drove almost every first M model ( usually the launch car ) and it feels great to drive something that nobody has yet
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This absolutely renders the M5 an emotional purchase as the M550i is now officially a BEAST, and the better, cheaper, still super fast, rational choice for those who don't want the zero compromises (and oh yeah pay an extra $25k) M5. This will be a 0-60 in 3.5 car, guaranteed. Holy smokes.
Nah, the m5 handles and brakes better than the m550.
M5 is still worth the premium. Plus I got 2.9 0-60 in the M5 so it's still faster. I wonder if there's any changes for M5 in 2020.
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This absolutely renders the M5 an emotional purchase as the M550i is now officially a BEAST, and the better, cheaper, still super fast, rational choice for those who don't want the zero compromises (and oh yeah pay an extra $25k) M5. This will be a 0-60 in 3.5 car, guaranteed. Holy smokes.
Nah, the m5 handles and brakes better than the m550.
M5 is still worth the premium. Plus I got 2.9 0-60 in the M5 so it's still faster. I wonder if there's any changes for M5 in 2020.
From HP stand point never did besides CP that has more HP but I really like to se CS coming out
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This absolutely renders the M5 an emotional purchase as the M550i is now officially a BEAST, and the better, cheaper, still super fast, rational choice for those who don't want the zero compromises (and oh yeah pay an extra $25k) M5. This will be a 0-60 in 3.5 car, guaranteed. Holy smokes.
Nah, the m5 handles and brakes better than the m550.
M5 is still worth the premium. Plus I got 2.9 0-60 in the M5 so it's still faster. I wonder if there's any changes for M5 in 2020.
Agreed definitely worth every penny!!!
Here are some updates for 2020: laser lights option and new I-Drive
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This absolutely renders the M5 an emotional purchase as the M550i is now officially a BEAST, and the better, cheaper, still super fast, rational choice for those who don't want the zero compromises (and oh yeah pay an extra $25k) M5. This will be a 0-60 in 3.5 car, guaranteed. Holy smokes.
Nah, the m5 handles and brakes better than the m550.
M5 is still worth the premium. Plus I got 2.9 0-60 in the M5 so it's still faster. I wonder if there's any changes for M5 in 2020.
From HP stand point never did besides CP that has more HP but I really like to se CS coming out
If they decide to bring out M5 CS I will consider getting one but they better drop couple hundred pounds. By this big car I am sure they can save this much weight.
Rims and CCB alone is about 70lbs now all they need to add sport seats which can save at least 80lbs don't need massaged thick seats!!!!!
Carbon hood and trunk and titanium exhaust.... and here you go at least 200lbs less

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=23889785
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This absolutely renders the M5 an emotional purchase as the M550i is now officially a BEAST, and the better, cheaper, still super fast, rational choice for those who don't want the zero compromises (and oh yeah pay an extra $25k) M5. This will be a 0-60 in 3.5 car, guaranteed. Holy smokes.
Nah, the m5 handles and brakes better than the m550.
M5 is still worth the premium. Plus I got 2.9 0-60 in the M5 so it's still faster. I wonder if there's any changes for M5 in 2020.
From HP stand point never did besides CP that has more HP but I really like to se CS coming out
If they decide to bring out M5 CS I will consider getting one but they better drop couple hundred pounds. By this big car I am sure they can save this much weight.
Rims and CCB alone is about 70lbs now all they need to add sport seats which can save at least 80lbs don't need massaged thick seats!!!!!
Carbon hood and trunk and titanium exhaust.... and here you go at least 200lbs less

https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=23889785
I definitely like to see that!
200lbs less and add at least 50HP
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