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      08-26-2019, 10:56 AM   #23
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Yes I am referring to the ergonomics. Not for me.
Fair enough, ergonomics are pretty subjective. Just went and looked at pics of the A6 interior and nothing jumped out at me, but sitting in one is critical IMO. When I was originally looking at the M550i and M5 my dealer didn't have either and that was a sticking point for me, despite the 540 being very close.
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Have you looked at the MB AMG C63s sedan? It's a bit smaller but powerful and around the price of the M550i.
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Have you looked at the MB AMG C63s sedan? It's a bit smaller but powerful and around the price of the M550i.
Yeah, too small.....

The 5 series is about the smallest I want to go and sometimes find it smaller than I like. I had a M6 GC right before this (which is a pretty long car), so maybe the 5 just seems smaller due to that (I know the 5 has actually gotten larger from generation to generation).
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Have you looked at the MB AMG C63s sedan? It's a bit smaller but powerful and around the price of the M550i.
Yeah, too small.....

The 5 series is about the smallest I want to go and sometimes find it smaller than I like. I had a M6 GC right before this (which is a pretty long car), so maybe the 5 just seems smaller due to that (I know the 5 has actually gotten larger from generation to generation).
Yeah I understand. I like the C63s but it's too small for me too.
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No offense, but anything in the low 4's I wouldn't call "slow." Let's be honest, in our everyday lives we rarely are going to be doing sprints from 0-60 at stop light to stop light, and even still I consider anything under 5 seconds to be fast. If you care about 0-60 you might as well try out a tesla
Heh... I agree with you.

He's chasing after a unicorn with his random criteria. It has to be faster in 0-60 (which by the way is the sole measure of "performance") but not cannot cost more than the M550i. And by the way, it cannot be a popular model because he doesn't want it to be dime a dozen. And by the way, it has to provide more leg room too. There is only one car that meets all these criteria: MY2020 M550i with the rumored power bump

I never understood obsession for this 0-60 pissing contest for a car that will never see a track day or drag strip.
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Have you looked at the MB AMG C63s sedan? It's a bit smaller but powerful and around the price of the M550i.
We did check AMG C63s last spring. Liked everything about it except one thing: only RWD available. That was a clear cut deal breaker for us. Now, AMG E63s had AWD and more, but the price gave my wife cold feet. Thus, in the end, we put our money on M550i, and so far have no regrets, except perhaps a bit about missing out on the uprated 2020 M550i engine because I didn't want to wait a few more months with the new vehicle purchase. Not a biggie, the 2019 M550i is powerful enough for our needs as well as prevailing driving conditions where we live.
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That is definitely a risk. But it might be worth a test drive and a look at the Stelvio, their small SUV. I ran into a car guy friend at the car wash recently who never owned an SUV and never owned an Alfa. On something of a lark, he had stopped in at an Alfa dealer looking for a sedan but the salesman suggested he try the Stelvio. Reluctantly he took it out, came back and bought it on the spot. Of course it was the AWD Quadrifoglio with 505 HP and 0-60 in 3.6 seconds. It looked great and a month of so into it he was happy with it. Now if I were dong it I would certainly lease it through the warranty period and make sure I had a good dealer with plenty of loaner cars and a pick up service just in case. But it might be worth a trip to the Alfa dealer just for fun. You might just come out with a big grin on your face.--Bob
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I'm guessing you can't wait on that, though. Other cars on my short list of next vehicles to consider: Macan Turbo, Cayenne Turbo, Taycan, M850i Gran Coupe, E63, and even the new X5 M50i and X5 M. Good luck finding something to keep you happy!
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No offense, but anything in the low 4's I wouldn't call "slow." Let's be honest, in our everyday lives we rarely are going to be doing sprints from 0-60 at stop light to stop light, and even still I consider anything under 5 seconds to be fast. If you care about 0-60 you might as well try out a tesla
Everyone's criteria for a car is different and 'slow' is subjective. A lot of people here are all about quarter mile, and more power to them if that's what they want, but I prefer 0-60 because it's something I can 'use' much more often.

Most of the roads 3+ miles from my house (that I drive) are 55 mph speed limit and rural, so fast accelerations hurt no one.

For me personally, I would consider Telsa, they: 1) could be sold in my state; 2) had service centers in my state; 3) didn't have marginal quality.

So, your use case is probably not that typical for people looking at high performing BMWs.
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No offense, but anything in the low 4's I wouldn't call "slow." Let's be honest, in our everyday lives we rarely are going to be doing sprints from 0-60 at stop light to stop light, and even still I consider anything under 5 seconds to be fast. If you care about 0-60 you might as well try out a tesla
Heh... I agree with you.

He's chasing after a unicorn with his random criteria. It has to be faster in 0-60 (which by the way is the sole measure of "performance") but not cannot cost more than the M550i. And by the way, it cannot be a popular model because he doesn't want it to be dime a dozen. And by the way, it has to provide more leg room too. There is only one car that meets all these criteria: MY2020 M550i with the rumored power bump

I never understood obsession for this 0-60 pissing contest for a car that will never see a track day or drag strip.
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No offense, but anything in the low 4's I wouldn't call "slow." Let's be honest, in our everyday lives we rarely are going to be doing sprints from 0-60 at stop light to stop light, and even still I consider anything under 5 seconds to be fast. If you care about 0-60 you might as well try out a tesla
Heh... I agree with you.

He's chasing after a unicorn with his random criteria. It has to be faster in 0-60 (which by the way is the sole measure of "performance") but not cannot cost more than the M550i. And by the way, it cannot be a popular model because he doesn't want it to be dime a dozen. And by the way, it has to provide more leg room too. There is only one car that meets all these criteria: MY2020 M550i with the rumored power bump

I never understood obsession for this 0-60 pissing contest for a car that will never see a track day or drag strip.
What isn't understood? I told you I come from a M6 and now the 550. No, to most people mid 4's isn't slow. However, most people aren't coming from a 575 and a 539 horsepower car. To ME, a mid 4 car would be a step back....simply put. I have zero reason to pay more for a car that is slower, isn't bigger, etc. Otherwise, I'll just pay more for the 750 which a going to be larger, more luxurious, and faster than the CLS53/E43/S7, etc.

Teslas are just trash to me. Some might be faster, some might be bigger. They are non starters for me. They are everywhere. It's a boring concept for me.

I still like to speed around but do so safely. Thus, yes, 0-60 is important to me. How fast I can get from 80 to 180 isn't. How fast my car is at the drag strip doesn't matter, either. Who buys an everyday car for $80-100k and takes it to a damn drag strip anyways? I never saw the point of that. 0-60 time is a lot more useful than say M5 power which isn't usable to most people over what the M550 provides. That's why I couldn't justify the extra premium on the M5.
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LOL. There are times that I can also say that about BMW.

I was going to add, if I may, that I test drove the new A6 last month (before buying the 540i) and I found the interior and features and performance all quite nice and worthy of the price, except, and I should maybe highlight that, except for the steering. It was abysmal. Hideous. Remember how bad the F10 initially was? This is worse. Horrible.

These cars that we're discussing here are easily north of $60K. For that money, you should get what you want, be it comfort, quiet, handling, or 0-60 faster than the girl on the phone driving her SUV. Nothing against girls.
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What isn't understood? I told you I come from a M6 and now the 550. No, to most people mid 4's isn't slow. However, most people aren't coming from a 575 and a 539 horsepower car. To ME, a mid 4 car would be a step back....simply put. I have zero reason to pay more for a car that is slower, isn't bigger, etc. Otherwise, I'll just pay more for the 750 which a going to be larger, more luxurious, and faster than the CLS53/E43/S7, etc.
So if you find everything at that price point slower than the 550 and that's all that matters to you, why not just keep the 550 or get another one? Not sure what the issue is here
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Everyone's criteria for a car is different and 'slow' is subjective. A lot of people here are all about quarter mile, and more power to them if that's what they want, but I prefer 0-60 because it's something I can 'use' much more often.

Most of the roads 3+ miles from my house (that I drive) are 55 mph speed limit and rural, so fast accelerations hurt no one.

For me personally, I would consider Telsa, they: 1) could be sold in my state; 2) had service centers in my state; 3) didn't have marginal quality.

So, your use case is probably not that typical for people looking at high performing BMWs.
The problem with 0-60 times is that it's all about traction hooking up on really fast cars. And nobody does full boogie launches on the street. By far the best indicator of how fast a car is in the types of driving people do on the street is 1/4 mile trap speed. It's the best at telling how hard a car is accelerating "through the gears".
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So if you find everything at that price point slower than the 550 and that's all that matters to you, why not just keep the 550 or get another one? Not sure what the issue is here
He said that he gets tired of the same car for a long time and I understand. I have the same problem and I have narrowed it down to the Macan Turbo Performance. If not that, then I will buy another M550 or a CPO M5.
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You come here asking for sub-4 sec 0-60 midsize sedan options without going to the M5/E63 level of pricing. There are only a few cars that will meet your criteria besides the M550i: Tesla Model S and Charger SRT Hellcat. Judging by your previous cars, I doubt you'll visit a Dodge dealership any time soon. I'll be happy to stand corrected if this isn't the case.

So that leaves the Tesla which you poopooed and called just "trash" because it was everywhere. Newsflash for you: the 5er outsold the Model S every single year of its existence by a large margin. Boring? Maybe it is, but if you get your kick from fast acceleration, maybe boring is what the doc ordered.

So, I accurately called you out and said you are chasing after a unicorn that doesn't exist. Just get the LCI M550i with the rumored power bump and call it a day.

As for the 0-60 obsession, to employ the 0-60 time advertised by BMW, you have to turn off the traction for launch control activation. Call me crazy, but employing this type of exhibition of speed on public roads isn't exactly safe, especially if it involves turning the traction control off. Setting that aside, drag racing from one traffic light to the next isn't exactly fun or exciting to me, and I frankly don't understand people who do. Maybe you can enlighten us how sub-4 sec launches can be done safely and enjoyably on public roads.



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What isn't understood? I told you I come from a M6 and now the 550. No, to most people mid 4's isn't slow. However, most people aren't coming from a 575 and a 539 horsepower car. To ME, a mid 4 car would be a step back....simply put. I have zero reason to pay more for a car that is slower, isn't bigger, etc. Otherwise, I'll just pay more for the 750 which a going to be larger, more luxurious, and faster than the CLS53/E43/S7, etc.

Teslas are just trash to me. Some might be faster, some might be bigger. They are non starters for me. They are everywhere. It's a boring concept for me.

I still like to speed around but do so safely. Thus, yes, 0-60 is important to me. How fast I can get from 80 to 180 isn't. How fast my car is at the drag strip doesn't matter, either. Who buys an everyday car for $80-100k and takes it to a damn drag strip anyways? I never saw the point of that. 0-60 time is a lot more useful than say M5 power which isn't usable to most people over what the M550 provides. That's why I couldn't justify the extra premium on the M5.
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You come here asking for sub-4 sec 0-60 midsize sedan options without going to the M5/E63 level of pricing. There are only a few cars that will meet your criteria besides the M550i: Tesla Model S and Charger SRT Hellcat. Judging by your previous cars, I doubt you'll visit a Dodge dealership any time soon. I'll be happy to stand corrected if this isn't the case.

So that leaves the Tesla which you poopooed and called just "trash" because it was everywhere. Newsflash for you: the 5er outsold the Model S every single year of its existence by a large margin. Boring? Maybe it is, but if you get your kick from fast acceleration, maybe boring is what the doc ordered.

So, I accurately called you out and said you are chasing after a unicorn that doesn't exist. Just get the LCI M550i with the rumored power bump and call it a day.

As for the 0-60 obsession, to employ the 0-60 time advertised by BMW, you have to turn off the traction for launch control activation. Call me crazy, but employing this type of exhibition of speed on public roads isn't exactly safe, especially if it involves turning the traction control off. Setting that aside, drag racing from one traffic light to the next isn't exactly fun or exciting to me, and I frankly don't understand people who do. Maybe you can enlighten us how sub-4 sec launches can be done safely and enjoyably on public roads.



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What isn't understood? I told you I come from a M6 and now the 550. No, to most people mid 4's isn't slow. However, most people aren't coming from a 575 and a 539 horsepower car. To ME, a mid 4 car would be a step back....simply put. I have zero reason to pay more for a car that is slower, isn't bigger, etc. Otherwise, I'll just pay more for the 750 which a going to be larger, more luxurious, and faster than the CLS53/E43/S7, etc.

Teslas are just trash to me. Some might be faster, some might be bigger. They are non starters for me. They are everywhere. It's a boring concept for me.

I still like to speed around but do so safely. Thus, yes, 0-60 is important to me. How fast I can get from 80 to 180 isn't. How fast my car is at the drag strip doesn't matter, either. Who buys an everyday car for $80-100k and takes it to a damn drag strip anyways? I never saw the point of that. 0-60 time is a lot more useful than say M5 power which isn't usable to most people over what the M550 provides. That's why I couldn't justify the extra premium on the M5.
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You come here asking for sub-4 sec 0-60 midsize sedan options without going to the M5/E63 level of pricing. There are only a few cars that will meet your criteria besides the M550i: Tesla Model S and Charger SRT Hellcat. Judging by your previous cars, I doubt you'll visit a Dodge dealership any time soon. I'll be happy to stand corrected if this isn't the case.

So that leaves the Tesla which you poopooed and called just "trash" because it was everywhere. Newsflash for you: the 5er outsold the Model S every single year of its existence by a large margin. Boring? Maybe it is, but if you get your kick from fast acceleration, maybe boring is what the doc ordered.

So, I accurately called you out and said you are chasing after a unicorn that doesn't exist. Just get the LCI M550i with the rumored power bump and call it a day.

As for the 0-60 obsession, to employ the 0-60 time advertised by BMW, you have to turn off the traction for launch control activation. Call me crazy, but employing this type of exhibition of speed on public roads isn't exactly safe, especially if it involves turning the traction control off. Setting that aside, drag racing from one traffic light to the next isn't exactly fun or exciting to me, and I frankly don't understand people who do. Maybe you can enlighten us how sub-4 sec launches can be done safely and enjoyably on public roads.



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What isn't understood? I told you I come from a M6 and now the 550. No, to most people mid 4's isn't slow. However, most people aren't coming from a 575 and a 539 horsepower car. To ME, a mid 4 car would be a step back....simply put. I have zero reason to pay more for a car that is slower, isn't bigger, etc. Otherwise, I'll just pay more for the 750 which a going to be larger, more luxurious, and faster than the CLS53/E43/S7, etc.

Teslas are just trash to me. Some might be faster, some might be bigger. They are non starters for me. They are everywhere. It's a boring concept for me.

I still like to speed around but do so safely. Thus, yes, 0-60 is important to me. How fast I can get from 80 to 180 isn't. How fast my car is at the drag strip doesn't matter, either. Who buys an everyday car for $80-100k and takes it to a damn drag strip anyways? I never saw the point of that. 0-60 time is a lot more useful than say M5 power which isn't usable to most people over what the M550 provides. That's why I couldn't justify the extra premium on the M5.
My God, get off your soapbox. This seems to be a common theme in your posts. I can't believe you are trying to argue with me about some of the criteria I am balancing for MY car.

I was simply asking where other M550i owners were leaning towards once they get rid of the car.

However, thanks for your opinion.....it's really even more useful considering you own a 530 and not a M550i. Don't worry, I won't launch control by your nursing home.
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Easy big fella. I know I only drive a 540 M Sport so I hope you don’t mind my chiming in, but is this really the place to pound your chest. If I wanted to suck your headlights out I’ve got a monster in the garage to do it with easily.

Enjoy your car and your holiday weekend. Based on what I’ve read here it seems the new 550 or an M5 fits your bill. To me in a 4 door true sports sedan you are on the right place. That does not mean that a E-AMG or RS6 is bad but it’s not anything I’d choose over the M5 or even M550. I like the size, tech, dealer support and driving dynamics /feel of the car. Is it perfect No. but is really good.

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My God, get off your soapbox. This seems to be a common theme in your posts. I can't believe you are trying to argue with me about some of the criteria I am balancing for MY car.

I was simply asking where other M550i owners were leaning towards once they get rid of the car.

However, thanks for your opinion.....it's really even more useful considering you own a 530 and not a M550i. Don't worry, I won't launch control by your nursing home.
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Easy big fella. I know I only drive a 540 M Sport so I hope you don’t mind my chiming in, but is this really the place to pound your chest. If I wanted to suck your headlights out I’ve got a monster in the garage to do it with easily.

Enjoy your car and your holiday weekend. Based on what I’ve read here it seems the new 550 or an M5 fits your bill. To me in a 4 door true sports sedan you are on the right place. That does not mean that a E-AMG or RS6 is bad but it’s not anything I’d choose over the M5 or even M550. I like the size, tech, dealer support and driving dynamics /feel of the car. Is it perfect No. but is really good.

The other may have more exhaust noice for I like to fly under the radar with my weapons. They never see you coming



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My God, get off your soapbox. This seems to be a common theme in your posts. I can't believe you are trying to argue with me about some of the criteria I am balancing for MY car.

I was simply asking where other M550i owners were leaning towards once they get rid of the car.

However, thanks for your opinion.....it's really even more useful considering you own a 530 and not a M550i. Don't worry, I won't launch control by your nursing home.
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How about C8 Corvette?

If you need 4 doors and luxury at a reasonable lease you're pretty much stuck in the same car you already have.
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