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      10-26-2020, 11:08 PM   #1
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2021 BMW 530i Engine Boost to 190KW ?

I have recently took one of my bimmers to the dealership for service. They had nothing to give me as a loaner except a 2020 G20 330i.
I took the car and drove it for two days. The engine was soo good for a four banger that pushed me twice to check the hood and make sure that there is no I6 under there.

Anyway. browsing around the new cars floor I came across a new 2021 G30 530I which I loved as a whole due to equipment and colors.
Yet, I was disappointed to find out that the engine is rated at 185 KW and is not as peppy at the 330i.
I must say that I loved that 330i as a whole but 5 Series is in a whole different ball game interior wise and fit and finish.

Still don't get one thing: why would BMW offer more power in a smaller 3 Series and and less in a higher class, bigger vehicle. Just doesn't make sense to me...

So here comes the question:
Can I make that 530 as peppy (or more) as the 330i?
There is 40kg difference between the two so not big deal.
Is this just a software mod or this involves a more complicated procedure?

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      10-27-2020, 09:29 AM   #2
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I will answer part of your question. BMW positions the 3 series as the "sporty" model and the 5 series as a more "luxury" model. Hence it puts the spicier engine in the 3 series.

It bothers me that BMW won't let us get a 3 series with the fit and finish elements of the 5 series. I know that will cost more; I, for one, would be more than willing to pay for it. I prefer smaller but I still want my features and luxury.

Between the refusal to give us Nappa or merino leather on a 3 series (not counting the M3) and the ugly grills, BMW is driving me away and toward other makers such as Porsche and Merc.
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So here comes the question:
Can I make that 530 as peppy (or more) as the 330i?
Is this just a software mod or this involves a more complicated procedure?
the engine rating has more to do with marketing than physical differences/ tuning differences, because the 3 is in a segment that has far more competition compared to the 5,

if you dyno both cars I guarantee you wont see a difference

as far as a 5kw difference between the two even if it was true, that would be unnoticeable in every thinkable situation
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G20 probably felt peppier because its a different chassis, suspension and most likely transmission and gear ratios (assuming that's the case). If the same engine is compared between g20 and g30.

But the power question I am finding hard to understand as G30 is offered with 6 and 8 cylinders. How is that they don't offer more power in 5 series? They'll be happy to sell a more expensive vehicle I am sure.

But you can always add a bit more pep to a 530i with a Dinantronics tune and be protected by additional Dinan warranty with the Elite version of the tune. You will definitely feel that bump.
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I will answer part of your question. BMW positions the 3 series as the "sporty" model and the 5 series as a more "luxury" model. Hence it puts the spicier engine in the 3 series.

It bothers me that BMW won't let us get a 3 series with the fit and finish elements of the 5 series. I know that will cost more; I, for one, would be more than willing to pay for it. I prefer smaller but I still want my features and luxury.

Between the refusal to give us Nappa or merino leather on a 3 series (not counting the M3) and the ugly grills, BMW is driving me away and toward other makers such as Porsche and Merc.
This is exactly how I feel as well. love the 5 a lot as I believe that is one of the very few that look good and have a decent design.
I would love the same quality in the 3 as well as 5 is bigger than my needs.
As we speak, I am trying to see if I can make a special Individual order for a 3 that can have a different headliner, carpet and a different interior / exterior color. Of course I will pay, and it will probably cost me more than the 5. But the process is long and painful and not certain either.
Waited for the new M3, but cannot pass the grill. Despite my mental efforts, anytime I look at it I cringe inside. In plus, the seats are a little bit too colorful, (more colors than I want), too busy, "too much" for my taste...

Thank you all for your replies.
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the engine rating has more to do with marketing than physical differences/ tuning differences, because the 3 is in a segment that has far more competition compared to the 5,

if you dyno both cars I guarantee you wont see a difference

as far as a 5kw difference between the two even if it was true, that would be unnoticeable in every thinkable situation
From what I understand there is a different tune to it and that was my question related to.
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G20 probably felt peppier because its a different chassis, suspension and most likely transmission and gear ratios (assuming that's the case). If the same engine is compared between g20 and g30.

But the power question I am finding hard to understand as G30 is offered with 6 and 8 cylinders. How is that they don't offer more power in 5 series? They'll be happy to sell a more expensive vehicle I am sure.

But you can always add a bit more pep to a 530i with a Dinantronics tune and be protected by additional Dinan warranty with the Elite version of the tune. You will definitely feel that bump.
I get your point, yet the 5 should be as peppier as the 3. I mean, the bigger the class, the better car.. No?
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I get your point, yet the 5 should be as peppier as the 3. I mean, the bigger the class, the better car.. No?
Better is a very subjective term. The 5 is larger and heavier than a 3 series and will create a different driving dynamic as a result.
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This is exactly how I feel as well. love the 5 a lot as I believe that is one of the very few that look good and have a decent design.
I would love the same quality in the 3 as well as 5 is bigger than my needs.
As we speak, I am trying to see if I can make a special Individual order for a 3 that can have a different headliner, carpet and a different interior / exterior color. Of course I will pay, and it will probably cost me more than the 5. But the process is long and painful and not certain either.
Waited for the new M3, but cannot pass the grill. Despite my mental efforts, anytime I look at it I cringe inside. In plus, the seats are a little bit too colorful, (more colors than I want), too busy, "too much" for my taste...

Thank you all for your replies.
Wow, we are alike. Please let us know how you make out on the special order. I too would reluctantly be willing to invest but only if the company got rid of the Edsel grills (if I wanted an old Ford I would have bought one).
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The larger grilles are slowly growing on me (and by that I mean I don't look at the photos anymore and go 'wtf were they smoking?' - but they still look ugly compared to the prior smaller grille models)
However, I just cannot get past idrive 7's live cockpit pro. gauges that aren't round just rub me the wrong way - it makes me think of a dated 70's style dash.

FWIW, I find the 5 faster than my old 3 (but that's turbo vs. naturally aspirated, so no surprise there)
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if you dyno both cars I guarantee you wont see a difference

as far as a 5kw difference between the two even if it was true, that would be unnoticeable in every thinkable situation
5kW remains unnoticed, but 50Nm or 14% more torque probably not.
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I have recently took one of my bimmers to the dealership for service. They had nothing to give me as a loaner except a 2020 G20 330i.
I took the car and drove it for two days. The engine was soo good for a four banger that ...

So here comes the question:
Can I make that 530 as peppy (or more) as the 330i?
There is 40kg difference between the two so not big deal.
Is this just a software mod or this involves a more complicated procedure?

Thanks for your input.
(Sorry, ignore... made wrong comment assuming you were speaking about 330e and 530e. Need new pair of glasses)

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So, Nobody knows if the 530i engine can be boosted via software to make it as sporty as the 330i?
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So, Nobody knows if the 530i engine can be boosted via software to make it as sporty as the 330i?
When I look at some 1st stage solution providers, I presume yes. A common ECU update releases 310hp and 470Nm for both 530i as 330i.
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When I look at some 1st stage solution providers, I presume yes. A common ECU update releases 310hp and 470Nm for both 530i as 330i.
My presumption is similar
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My presumption is similar
I just hoped that the G30 would at least have the same output as the G20. I don't understand the reasoning of BMW to keep both the 530i and 540i under their 330i and M340i siblings?

I hoped that the LCI would have solved this but still they didn't??
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I just hoped that the G30 would at least have the same output as the G20. I don't understand the reasoning of BMW to keep both the 530i and 540i under their 330i and M340i siblings?

I hoped that the LCI would have solved this but still they didn't??
I am often have the Same question: shouldn’t 5 Series have more power than the 3 Series?
Not only is a bigger car in terms of dimensions and weight so it should have a similar sporty image and have at least similar sprint times, but it is also a higher level vehicle on a different niche, it is more luxurious and is more expensive.

Instead of buying the new 5 Series which is in my opinion one of the few (left) beautiful BMW’s in the lineup and a luxurious one too, I am forced to look at the 330 or 340 for that matter just because of the sporty characteristics regardless the 3 is nowhere near in terms of materials, luxury and fit and finish....

SMH BMW...
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When I look at some 1st stage solution providers, I presume yes. A common ECU update releases 310hp and 470Nm for both 530i as 330i.
Do you believe that structural (internal components), the 303 HP and the 530 engine are similar?
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Do you believe that structural (internal components), the 303 HP and the 530 engine are similar?
To my understanding both use the B48B20O0 engine. This implies that they are identical, except for the ECU software.

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To my understanding both use the B48B20O0 engine. This implies that they are identical, except for the ECU software.

Thank you for this.
Do you think that with a software update you can push this engine on te 300HP mark like the X2 M35 or M235 GC?
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Thank you for this.
Do you think that with a software update you can push this engine on te 300HP mark like the X2 M35 or M235 GC?
Yes, +300hp/450Nm is in it with a simple stage 1 ECU flash for a few hundred dollars, no other hardware required. Just a pity that it will void your warranty and that BMW should deliver it from the factory.
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Yes, +300hp/450Nm is in it with a simple stage 1 ECU flash for a few hundred dollars, no other hardware required. Just a pity that it will void your warranty and that BMW should deliver it from the factory.
Do you know if BMW does not offer an "in-house" approved software update?
Sport package upgrade or something similar?
I will gladly pay for it if they offer it.
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