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      10-15-2016, 06:31 PM   #309
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Yes, I have an N63TU in my 2016 550i. It burns a lot of oil - a quart per 1,200 miles or so.
I wonder why the S63TU was so much better then mine never used any oil over 30k miles and was a very strong engine.
On my honor, M5 is calling for oil service in 250mi so it will have been right at 8500mi since the last change. The car is driven quite hard but never in an an abusive way. Not a single drop has been added in between at any point...
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Its when you sit in a 90's BMW and use the 8-bit pixel resolution of the navigation/interface that you are more familiar with modern technology.
Here we go again with this weak marketing. Again your angle of attack is on previous generations of Bmw. You think talking badly about past products will have us respect the new ones, yet again you come across as a fake marketing type. What a stupid juxtaposition. Technology from the 90s. Wonderful.
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As expected the renders of the Touring are now entering the media.
World Premiere in Geneva in March, same engines as the Sedan including M550i and once again M550d. On sale by the second quarter of 2017(Europe).
Will there be a M550i or M550d touring in RHD?
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As expected the renders of the Touring are now entering the media.
World Premiere in Geneva in March, same engines as the Sedan including M550i and once again M550d. On sale by the second quarter of 2017(Europe).
Will there be a M550i or M550d touring in RHD?
I read there will be RHD xDrive, so at least it's a possibility now since those are xDrive only.
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As expected the renders of the Touring are now entering the media.
World Premiere in Geneva in March, same engines as the Sedan including M550i and once again M550d. On sale by the second quarter of 2017(Europe).
Great a 530e touring looks to be an alternative when my lease on my Tesla expires July '17.
Would have been even better with full eletric drive though...
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It's funny, digital dashboard is probably less expensive than the analog, but they are even charging additional ~500 for it
It's not about the price of the unit, they have assembly lines for digital ones. Like they have for auto gearboxes, and everything that isn't standard creates additional cost while assembling car.
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Every BMW with CarPlay is wireless.
There's another little story behind the Announcement the G30 is the first BMW with CarPlay...

The very first car to leave the assembly line with it installed and operational was in fact...a Production Spec G30 in August and they've been rolling out since.
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What is standard?

At BMW.com km building My BMW 5-series.
You ar able to choose color, rims and more spec.
Much interesting!

But im Reading in meny articels that "sport" is standard?
What does that mean? Sportline?

First, you are at "standard equipment"
Then, further down, you can choose "sportline" "luxuryline" or "msport package"

I mean, sportline cant be the standard, right?
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the more I look at the g30 the more I like it, however, there are some things I don't like:
the "luxury line" badging, the car would have to be debadged, because that's just stupid. the "M" badge on the back of the 550. fine call it an "M550" but, please, save the M for real M cars. the active grilles may be cool, but it will just make it that much harder to get rid of the chrome grilles. bmw needs to give us options, chrome is disgusting
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the more I look at the g30 the more I like it, however, there are some things I don't like:
the "luxury line" badging, the car would have to be debadged, because that's just stupid. the "M" badge on the back of the 550. fine call it an "M550" but, please, save the M for real M cars. the active grilles may be cool, but it will just make it that much harder to get rid of the chrome grilles. bmw needs to give us options, chrome is disgusting
US cars do not come with the exterior line badging. Only the M550i will have it.

You can Spec a few different types of grill trim. No need to jump the gun on tiny, non-existent stuff.
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What color is that gray in the main pics? Or is it moonstone blue?

It doesn't seem you can get a silver or gray msport. Wtf?
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What color is that gray in the main pics? Or is it moonstone blue?

It doesn't seem you can get a silver or gray msport. Wtf?
Space gray.
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Space gray.
That's what it looked like to me as well, however, based on the leaked order guide, it doesn't seem to be an offered color at all.

The closest one I could tell based once again on the guide is A90 Sophisto Gray (which to me seems to be much darker than Space Gray, which I currently have).
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Space gray.
That's what it looked like to me as well, however, based on the leaked order guide, it doesn't seem to be an offered color at all.

The closest one I could tell based once again on the guide is A90 Sophisto Gray (which to me seems to be much darker than Space Gray, which I currently have).
From the 1st, 2nd, and Last (production) image gallery, can you point out a few specific images?

A90 Sophisto Grau is what is called Dark Graphite in the US and carries over from the F10. This formulation is the original version (not II) with Xrillac. Very pretty color that was well liked.
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What color is that gray in the main pics? Or is it moonstone blue?

It doesn't seem you can get a silver or gray msport. Wtf?
Must be bluestone metallic. certain angles looks blueish and other angels looks greyish
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So yesterday i was at an closed event in Norway to see the G30. It was a silvergrey 540i with light interiour. The show was excellent, since they had lined up every 5 series to date, except the E12.
I attended it not expecting much, but they had an Scandinavian expert flown in, who had a great insight into the model, and luckily i got to talk to the guy afterward.
So what about the G30, you've all seen the pictures, and as with the 7, it's not spectacular on pictures.
More a evolution from the stylish F10, but close and upfront, the lines is perfect, very modern and makes perfect sense, the F10 really pales in comparison.
I've been to alot of previews, this is probably the ones that suprised me the most, not having superhigh expectations, and loving the current model - the F10.
But then you see the G30, and hear about the technical background of it, i'm mighty impressed with the car, it's the perfect design and solution coming from the F10.
The expert did said it was the most thoughtfull and testet car ever from BMW, with over 200 crash test and an insane amount of milage covered.
He also insisted on laser lights are for the 7 and i8 only, so no laser on the G30.
The LED did light up 500 m, the laser did max out at 600m, i guess it's enough, it's more a marketing thingy, since the laser light only works on distance.

BMW are usually understated on paper and pictures, the G30 more so, it's a car that has a lot of pressence, an impressive outcome from the succesfull F10, good job BMW!
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At BMW.com km building My BMW 5-series.
You ar able to choose color, rims and more spec.
Much interesting!

But im Reading in meny articels that "sport" is standard?
What does that mean? Sportline?

First, you are at "standard equipment"
Then, further down, you can choose "sportline" "luxuryline" or "msport package"

I mean, sportline cant be the standard, right?
I think they option the cars differently for different markets, I know Sport/Luxury/M sport is a model line in the UK, but the German price list seems to give you a standard car price then the option of adding those as packages.

In the UK on the F30 for instance you pick the model "Sport" or "Luxury" or "M sport"

So it's different depending on the country?
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Which is, for all intents and purposes, 2 generations behind the G30 M550i.

N63TO0 - Gen 1
N63TO1(TU) - Gen 2
N63TO2(TU2) - Gen 3
N63TXX (the G30 M550i M Performance Variant) - Gen3.5 or 4.

Gen 1 was rather unfortunate with both regional driving condition induced issues combined with manufacturing attributable problems. Neither is "good" but the provenance wouldn't be so negative had it only been one or the other.

Oil "consumption" on N/S63TU is attributable most of the time to how the car was driven during break-in. If it was conservative to moderate, it will request oil over time. How the car is typically driven post initial break-in will determine how often that request is. The large amount of torque available from very low engine speeds tends to result in frequent lugging (low engine speed + large throttle demands). Subsequent drops in throttle demand momentary exceeds the the engine pumping ability causing fuel to blow down past the rings, diluting the oil. The diluted oil then makes its way up past the rings into the combustion chamber during moderate to high engine speeds with low to mid throttle demand. All mechanical devices have the occasional failure but the TU and newer have not displayed any major, widespread issues. Same can't be said of the B58 though the issues seem to be resolved now.

Some have never needed to add much if any oil to an N/S63 while others need a liter in less than 1k miles. Personally, I've had several of each N63 and S63 variant produced so far and have never added a drop to all but one. The sole exception was a very early build F10 550i due to a return line leak...not consumption/dilution.

Enthusiast Forums tend to exaggerate and circulate false information when it comes to "widespread" major problems. Search the F8x forum and it would seem that the S55 is spinning cranks every day somewhere and BMW modified the bedplate to correct a manufacturing issue. Truth is, a handful of cars have done so, every single one was modified, and the strengthened bedplate was to allow for the increased power of the M4 GTS. All S55's incorporated the change to reduce production costs rather than increase the GTS price even more.
The M550i engine code is N63R
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Which is, for all intents and purposes, 2 generations behind the G30 M550i.

N63TO0 - Gen 1
N63TO1(TU) - Gen 2
N63TO2(TU2) - Gen 3
N63TXX (the G30 M550i M Performance Variant) - Gen3.5 or 4.

Gen 1 was rather unfortunate with both regional driving condition induced issues combined with manufacturing attributable problems. Neither is "good" but the provenance wouldn't be so negative had it only been one or the other.

Oil "consumption" on N/S63TU is attributable most of the time to how the car was driven during break-in. If it was conservative to moderate, it will request oil over time. How the car is typically driven post initial break-in will determine how often that request is. The large amount of torque available from very low engine speeds tends to result in frequent lugging (low engine speed + large throttle demands). Subsequent drops in throttle demand momentary exceeds the the engine pumping ability causing fuel to blow down past the rings, diluting the oil. The diluted oil then makes its way up past the rings into the combustion chamber during moderate to high engine speeds with low to mid throttle demand. All mechanical devices have the occasional failure but the TU and newer have not displayed any major, widespread issues. Same can't be said of the B58 though the issues seem to be resolved now.

Some have never needed to add much if any oil to an N/S63 while others need a liter in less than 1k miles. Personally, I've had several of each N63 and S63 variant produced so far and have never added a drop to all but one. The sole exception was a very early build F10 550i due to a return line leak...not consumption/dilution.

Enthusiast Forums tend to exaggerate and circulate false information when it comes to "widespread" major problems. Search the F8x forum and it would seem that the S55 is spinning cranks every day somewhere and BMW modified the bedplate to correct a manufacturing issue. Truth is, a handful of cars have done so, every single one was modified, and the strengthened bedplate was to allow for the increased power of the M4 GTS. All S55's incorporated the change to reduce production costs rather than increase the GTS price even more.
The M550i engine code is N63R
That's the short reference for TU2 base. Gen 3.5 seems appropriate. There are some changes vs a 750 to make it slightly different.
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The Global Version Press Release has a TON more info. Maybe it should be up to?
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