[gaijin]

If it keeps up this way, the M2 will truly be an excellent buy. Not to mention one heck of an ED road trip to boot.

Today's exchange rate: 1 Euro = 1.06 US Dollar.

[vantagesc]

The goal should not be to out drag an m4. It should be to out handle and out corner it.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by gaijin

If it keeps up this way, the M2 will truly be an excellent buy. Not to mention one heck of an ED road trip to boot.

Today's exchange rate: 1 Euro = 1.06 US Dollar.

Another user said that the price would correspond to 48k starting USD... that would be shocking... I bet it starts over 50

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Another user said that the price would correspond to 48k starting USD... that would be shocking... I bet it starts over 50

According to a recent interview with Carsten Pries, there won't be much difference between the M235 and the M2. The price should reflect that.

[DanG]

I'd be surprised if the M2 isn't at least $10,000 more than an M235i. Most M235i configurations are $50,000+.

[Ramos]

First of all, speedblau?? Did they get that out of their ass?

M colors are all named after race tracks or famous races. Hence the Long Beach Blue which will be offered on the M2.

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by Bemo

According to a recent interview with Carsten Pries, there won't be much difference between the M235 and the M2. The price should reflect that.

True, I have been saying that don't I think the M2 will be a huge step up... when exactly was this interview/is there an article about it?

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by Bemo

According to a recent interview with Carsten Pries, there won't be much difference between the M235 and the M2. The price should reflect that.

If that's true something tells me that rumor about the M2 being very limited in add on options would be true. No nav or fancy backup cams, lane assist, etc...If you want a fully loaded luxury 2 series you'll have to load up an m235i for roughly the same price as an M2.

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by DanG

I'd be surprised if the M2 isn't at least $10,000 more than an M235i. Most M235i configurations are $50,000+.

Yep, if history is a guide, factor in a $10K increase compared to a comparably equipped M235i. I'll take that, barring limited production/dealer mark-up BS.

[UpNcOmINg!]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

It needs another 100hp to 'smoke' an M3/M4...not going to happen with just a tune. The design of heat dissipation, fuel delivery, turbo size, strength of components and suspension setups are for a 370-400hp car, not for 450hp+.

At best with a tune, it can run with an M3/M4.

f-series N55s are running well over 500whp with upgraded turbos.
Should we get N55, I am sure the turbo will be factory upgraded, sooooo there goes that theory.
A tune, DPs and decent eth mix will see 450whp on this car I'm sure.

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by UpNcOmINg!

f-series N55s are running well over 500whp with upgraded turbos.
Should we get N55, I am sure the turbo will be factory upgraded, sooooo there goes that theory.
A tune, DPs and decent eth mix will see 450whp on this car I'm sure.

500whp?

1. How long will that engine last without overheating on the track?
2. Can the oil cooler and radiator handle all the heat at maximum HP?
3. Can the gearbox, clutch and other parts of the drivetrain handle the extra power?
4. Can the Catalytic Converter last 70,000 mile without warranty claim as required by EPA regulations with that much heat from the engine?

You are just quoting someone got XXXwhp without the engine blowing up. Do you know how their setup affects the engine/drivetrain reliability in the long run?

They probably don't know either and if someone happens to the engine, all you can do is sit back and say bad luck because BMW will never warrant your claim.

[UpNcOmINg!]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

500whp?

1. How long will that engine last without overheating on the track?
2. Can the oil cooler and radiator handle all the heat at maximum HP?
3. Can the gearbox, clutch and other parts of the drivetrain handle the extra power?
4. Can the Catalytic Converter last 70,000 mile without warranty claim as required by EPA regulations with that much heat from the engine?

You are just quoting someone got XXXwhp without the engine blowing up. Do you know how their setup affects the engine/drivetrain reliability in the long run?

They probably don't know either and if someone happens to the engine, all you can do is sit back and say bad luck because BMW will never warrant your claim.

I take it you are a professional at digressing.
Your initial statement was: "The design of heat dissipation, fuel delivery, turbo size, strength of components and suspension setups are for a 370-400hp car, not for 450hp+."

I corrected you and told you that there is currently F series N55's successfully running 500+whp. Your argument was based solely on HP facts, to which I replied to further and broaden your understanding and knowledge.
Should you want your above answers addressed, because you clearly you know even less than what I do based on your uneducated claims on the N55 engine being able to run only "370-400hp" where in actual fact they are able to do that AND more without any further assistance from the ///M Division, which the ///M2 will obviously get

Just a thought, perhaps take a second and think before posting. Perhaps also take into account your brashness gets nowhere with anyone, nor does digression when corrected make you seem any more intelligent.

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

True, I have been saying that don't I think the M2 will be a huge step up... when exactly was this interview/is there an article about it?

It's in the latest issue of Roundel.

[UpNcOmINg!]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

500whp?

1. How long will that engine last without overheating on the track?
2. Can the oil cooler and radiator handle all the heat at maximum HP?
3. Can the gearbox, clutch and other parts of the drivetrain handle the extra power?
4. Can the Catalytic Converter last 70,000 mile without warranty claim as required by EPA regulations with that much heat from the engine?

You are just quoting someone got XXXwhp without the engine blowing up. Do you know how their setup affects the engine/drivetrain reliability in the long run?

They probably don't know either and if someone happens to the engine, all you can do is sit back and say bad luck because BMW will never warrant your claim.

Let me educate you a little Sir Kermic Man.

N54's and N55's have successfully been in various states of tune with minimal problems for many many years with thousands of miles put on them. When correctly modified, these cars often run better, cleaner and cooler than in stock form.

F series N55's are running around 270+wkw (+-360whp) SOFTWARE ONLY with the turbo's pushing just over 1 bar boost. VERY Safe parameters for both turbo, engine, cooling system and driveline.
We all know BMW often OVER-engineer their parts (except their fuel pumps apparently, these seem to be falling short even on stock cars, another thing you may not have known) meaning they are often under-tuned and under-estimated. The BMW ///M3/4, for example, makes often near 400whp and 550nm, where as BMW claims it to be only 425whp. Could this be witchcraft? Sorcery perhaps?
Fear not Sir Kermic Man, it isn't either of those. BMW just simply under-rate their power figures. Hell with stage one turbos, software and fuel the ///M3/4 are making north off 600whp. Yes. six hundred wheel horsepower. And doing so quite comfortably. The ///M3 and ///M4 are ///Motorsport division cars, in case you didn't know. Also, the ///M2 will be a ///Motorsport Division car, just in case you weren't sure. The suggested output claims are hovering around the 375FLYhp mark at the moment, meaning we may see STOCK figures of around 350whp if the ///M4 is anything to go by. Meaning, if you chuck decent fuel in (that stuff that gets put into the back of the car to make you drive places) you will see around 360whp quite easily and realiably. Add a decent SW bump on that and you will see 400whp on good fuel (which is good for your motor) without straining any piece of your car one bit. Unless you can't drive.
As for BMW not warranting claims, Ha! I have seen many a modded or previously car go in, and come back out from successful motorplan claims. In fact I have seen UNmodified cars go in for claims and be rejected. Again, there is always that risk and I for one am not shy to take it.
The same ZF 8 speed gearbox as in the BMW F series, is running in various forms with HP north of 500hp and torque well over 500nms as well, with no hitch. The clutch on your manual 1M handles 500+nm (to the wheels) just fine, and in the M3/4 around 100nms more. Why would it break now in the M2?
Oil coolers and radiators will handle that additional power just fine. Yes. **See over-engineered point again.
Catylatic Converters. People actually keep those in their cars? And are you ever going to replace your converter should it go haywire! Props to you!!! Mine comes out my car so I can save it for 70,000miles as a masterpiece on my mantel. Replace it with a non-catted variant. In case you don't know, BMW now has a high flow Catted DP in the BMW Performance range for the F series as well. Just so you know.
Oh, and an upgraded Oil cooler. And fan. And Intercooler. And SW.
Yes BMW. They supply Software! Oh and they back ACS sw. And they still keep your car under MP.

Would they do that if they knew the car couldn't handle it?!
I'll leave it there.

[SW19]

There has been so much wrong info from a bunch of car magazines that I don't believe any of it.including that interview mentioned with Carsten Pries.I'm just waiting for the M2 Concept to be shown,which should give us most of the specs for the production M2.

[Macphisto]

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[SW19]

Originally Posted by mybostonjack

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All he says in that article is that there is little difference in performance between an M235i and a core M Model.That quote would apply to any M Model,not just the M2.The whole interview just sounds like an executive making different talking points related to the M brand.There isn't any info about specs for upcoming M Models in that interview.

[PackPride85]

I found the comment about 1M potential buyers moving up the M3 a little disconcerting. It's like they wouldn't be worried about the M2 being limited production and would expect those that couldn't get an allocation to move up to an M3.

That may have been feasible when the 1M was released, but with all of the M2-like competition coming next year it would be a mistake.

[gaijin]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

I found the comment about 1M potential buyers moving up the M3 a little disconcerting. It's like they wouldn't be worried about the M2 being limited production and would expect those that couldn't get an allocation to move up to an M3. That may have been feasible when the 1M was released, but with all of the M2-like competition coming next year it would be a mistake.

I read it as 1M enthusiasts moving up to the M2. He used the analogy of how they went to the M3 after production ended on the 1M model. A similar model to the 1M wasn't available at the time other than the M3.

[Baltic_M2]

AutoBild doesn't have a clue!
They don't know anything!
Do not believe anything they say.

374PS N55 in one article, 385PS S55 two weeks later.
And the worst and laziest renders of all.

[SW19]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

I found the comment about 1M potential buyers moving up the M3 a little disconcerting. It's like they wouldn't be worried about the M2 being limited production and would expect those that couldn't get an allocation to move up to an M3.

That may have been feasible when the 1M was released, but with all of the M2-like competition coming next year it would be a mistake.

I agree,that is really the only interesting thing he said regarding the M2.He doesn't even confirm that there will be an M2 in that answer but it is interesting that he is saying people who couldn't get a 1M just moved up to an M3.

[Adem1534]

All I know, is that if I can't get an M2 due to limited availability I will be beyond frustrated after all of my time spent in anxiety over this car. I'd switch to a competing brand.