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      08-08-2019, 09:40 AM   #991
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What platform, exactly would they share it with?

Going to take all their 4 door cars and CUVs, build new platforms, convert them to RWD? Going to get rid of the V8 in the Tundra and LandCruiser and put a turbo I6?

Oh, maybe develop a FWD transmission and build a hopped a minivan?

You guys are great for a laugh.
They really are.

You really have to suspend reality at this point to think Toyota would spend hundreds of millions to develop all-new drivetrains for a couple pf niche products.
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They really are.

You really have to suspend reality at this point to think Toyota would spend hundreds of millions to develop all-new drivetrains for a couple pf niche products.
Yeah, but I donít see why they couldnít have used something like the more powerful twin-turbo V6 thatís in the IS F. I think most Supra fans would be ok with a V6 in an actual Toyota vs. an in-line 6 in a re-skinned BMW.
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Hardly. The Supra is simply a Z4 with a different shell and tuning.

To quote Autoblog, who tested them together, ďTheir virtual carbon-copy mechanicals are some blessing, including a chassis that Toyota says is more rigid than the Lexus LFA supercar, and the BMW-designed front MacPherson strut and rear-multi link suspension hardware. Team Supra was left to work its individual magic largely on tuning the electrically assisted steering, adaptive damping, transmission and electronic differential.Ē
I understand the physical differences, I am saying you can give two bakers the same ingredients and they can bake vastly different cookies
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Yeah, but I donít see why they couldnít have used something like the more powerful twin-turbo V6 thatís in the IS F. I think most Supra fans would be ok with a V6 in an actual Toyota vs. an in-line 6 in a re-skinned BMW.
There hasn't been an IS-F in years. The LS500 has the V35a TTv6.

Because of the incredibly high expectations, they were going to complain about anything and everything about the car so they were forced to guess the lesser of two evils on literally every decision. The problem is that the public hears their decisions years after they were made when it is too late to go back on it. They asked Supra owners what they wanted and they said an inline 6 was the most important, so they gave them just that. Could there have been better decisions made? Absolutely, hindsight is 20/20. But that doesn't mean the decisions made were bad decisions by any means.
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There hasn't been an IS-F in years. The LS500 has the V35a TTv6.

Because of the incredibly high expectations, they were going to complain about anything and everything about the car so they were forced to guess the lesser of two evils on literally every decision. The problem is that the public hears their decisions years after they were made when it is too late to go back on it. They asked Supra owners what they wanted and they said an inline 6 was the most important, so they gave them just that. Could there have been better decisions made? Absolutely, hindsight is 20/20. But that doesn't mean the decisions made were bad decisions by any means.
Yeah, sorry, I forgot the upcoming IS F was still just a rumor, but weíre talking about the same engine.

I know about their polling, but Iím not sure Supra owners understood that choosing an inline 6 in that poll meant that the car would essentially be a BMW Z4.
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You guys are great for a laugh.
Nah, the Zupra provides enough laughs for years to come.
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These things will be sitting on lots next year with discounts. Provide a manual transmission and maybe gain back a little respect.
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      08-08-2019, 11:56 AM   #998
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Yeah, sorry, I forgot the upcoming IS F was still just a rumor, but weíre talking about the same engine.

I know about their polling, but Iím not sure Supra owners understood that choosing an inline 6 in that poll meant that the car would essentially be a BMW Z4.
lol I'd rather it share a platform with the Z4 than use a 4000lb Lexus chassis
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      08-08-2019, 12:31 PM   #999
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lol I'd rather it share a platform with the Z4 than use a 4000lb Lexus chassis
I'd imagine they could've have figured something out, although the MK V is too heavy for its size, anyways. It somehow weighs a whole engine more than a Cayman.
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I'd imagine they could've have figured something out, although the MK V is too heavy for its size, anyways. It somehow weighs a whole engine more than a Cayman.
Could they have? Even with a $30,000 'lightweight' track package, the RC-F still weighs 3800lbs.

If youre going to make to make apple to apples weight comparison, you have to option the Cayman appropriately. The Cayman weighs just shy of 3200lbs when optioned with an automatic and that's with the 2 way seats where the Supra has a 14 way. Toyota's sales department dropped the ball by including so many features standard making it look bloated on paper where as Porsche has very few options standard.
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Could they have? Even with a $30,000 'lightweight' track package, the RC-F still weighs 3800lbs.

If youre going to make to make apple to apples weight comparison, you have to option the Cayman appropriately. The Cayman weighs just shy of 3200lbs when optioned with an automatic and that's with the 2 way seats where the Supra has a 14 way. Toyota's sales department dropped the ball by including so many features standard making it look bloated on paper where as Porsche has very few options standard.
The Cayman weighs 3140 lbs with the auto, so you're still talking 250 lbs, and, depending on who you read, the weight savings of the 2- way vs. 14-way seats is anywhere from 20 to 50lbs, so we're still talking 200 lbs.

Either way, the Supra is heavy for its size, and, like you said, it apparently has too many options. When I had a Cayman, it was a manual with as few options as I could find. Heck, my Cayman only weighed around 2850 lbs, and I complained when the newer, heavier versions came out. I mean, my 135i only weighs 3300-3400lbs, and it has four usable seats and a trunk.
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The Cayman weighs 3140 lbs with the auto, so you're still talking 250 lbs, and, depending on who you read, the weight savings of the 2- way vs. 14-way seats is anywhere from 20 to 50lbs, so we're still talking 200 lbs.

Either way, the Supra is heavy for its size, and, like you said, it apparently has too many options. When I had a Cayman, it was a manual with as few options as I could find. Heck, my Cayman only weighed around 2850 lbs, and I complained when the newer, heavier versions came out. I mean, my 135i only weighs 3300-3400lbs, and it has four usable seats and a trunk.
Yeah 200 pounds is definitely nothing scoff at, but it isn't the weight of an engine like you said before.

Thats kinda alot for a car smaller than the Supra
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      08-08-2019, 05:29 PM   #1003
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Those red mirrors they put on the "launch edition" cars look like complete trash. Why would you put red side mirrors on any car other than a red one? It's a joke.

99% of people who see that crap are going to think you're some low limit roller who went to the junkyard to replace broken mirrors, and are too cheap to paint them to match the body color. Carbon or body matching colors only please.
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Those red mirrors they put on the "launch edition" cars look like complete trash. Why would you put red side mirrors on any car other than a red one? It's a joke.

99% of people who see that crap are going to think you're some low limit roller who went to the junkyard to replace broken mirrors, and are too cheap to paint them to match the body color. Carbon or body matching colors only please.
And the Z4 has cerium mirrors with every color ...............
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And the Z4 has cerium mirrors with every color ...............
True but those aren't nearly as terrible. Honestly I didn't even know until you mentioned it, it's not like they're fire engine red and just screaming at you.

I'd probably look at the Z4m40i or whatever if it was 20k less, it's a nice looking car.
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And the Z4 has cerium mirrors with every color ...............
it also has a grill, vents, and other body panels in the color scheme

The Audi RS3 also have silver trim and mirror covers, but they did their homework and put the same finish in other areas as to not look like a junkyard special
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There hasn't been an IS-F in years. The LS500 has the V35a TTv6.

Because of the incredibly high expectations, they were going to complain about anything and everything about the car so they were forced to guess the lesser of two evils on literally every decision. The problem is that the public hears their decisions years after they were made when it is too late to go back on it. They asked Supra owners what they wanted and they said an inline 6 was the most important, so they gave them just that. Could there have been better decisions made? Absolutely, hindsight is 20/20. But that doesn't mean the decisions made were bad decisions by any means.
1000 times this.

Had they used a V6TT, they would have complained. You're right, the Fast and Furious fan boiz of the A80 weren't going to be happy with anything other than a newly built A80.

I also think it's funny someone talking about the weight. The A80 was what, 3500 lbs in mid-90s when there weren't all the crash/emission standards nor did cars have nearly as many amenities?

Newer, faster, nicer, safer, lighter.........."Why does Toyota hate us with the power of a million burning suns?!?!?!?!?"
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Yeah 200 pounds is definitely nothing scoff at, but it isn't the weight of an engine like you said before.

Thats kinda alot for a car smaller than the Supra
Hey, there are some economy car 4-cyls that weigh in the 200lb'ish range. You could use it to power the Supra's front wheels!
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I also think it's funny someone talking about the weight. The A80 was what, 3500 lbs in mid-90s when there weren't all the crash/emission standards nor did cars have nearly as many amenities
Yep, the FD RX7 was 2,800 pounds and the C5 was around 3,250. The Supra was fat then, and it's fat now. Nothing new.
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Yep, the FD RX7 was 2,800 pounds and the C5 was around 3,250. The Supra was fat then, and it's fat now. Nothing new.
Yeah, but it's a little different when it's a 2-seater with a shorter wheelbase.
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Yep, the FD RX7 was 2,800 pounds and the C5 was around 3,250. The Supra was fat then, and it's fat now. Nothing new.
Yeah, but it's a little different when it's a 2-seater with a shorter wheelbase.
True, it should have lost a little weight, but it's got a shed load more safety gear and everything else is getting fatter these days, so why not?
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True, it should have lost a little weight, but it's got a shed load more safety gear and everything else is getting fatter these days, so why not?
Not to mention, the fully loaded a90 is only ~40lbs heavier than a 6mt 370z (according to C&D atleast) while also being 5 inches longer and an inch wider than the Z.
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