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      11-24-2019, 09:04 AM   #1321
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B58 is a "twin turbo"? "M2C doesn't look or feel like an M car" .... I recall him not being a fan of the old gen 8 cylinder M3 as well. For how detailed his reviews are, you'd think he'd at least get the basic engine architecture right.
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I like the Supra. I don't buy BMW'S, I lease them. Right now I am far from convinced that this will have anything close to Toyota reliability. Hopefully it will lease like a BMW down the road....
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I like the Supra. I don't buy BMW'S, I lease them. Right now I am far from convinced that this will have anything close to Toyota reliability. Hopefully it will lease like a BMW down the road....
How would it have Toyota reliability? It's all BMW, made by BMW, the only Toyota parts are the badges.
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      11-24-2019, 02:12 PM   #1324
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How would it have Toyota reliability? It's all BMW, made by BMW, the only Toyota parts are the badges.
Toyota engineers took the engine apart and to summarize, reported that it will be reliable...the jury is still out....😎
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      11-24-2019, 04:28 PM   #1325
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How would it have Toyota reliability? It's all BMW, made by BMW, the only Toyota parts are the badges.
Even the badge has a BMW Part #

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Toyota engineers took the engine apart and to summarize, reported that it will be reliable...the jury is still out....��
They may have given it their blessing but they definitely didnt change anything like the rumors suggest.. Its just a B58 same as any other BMW.. With that said though my last few BMWs have gone 100K+ miles with little to no issues.

So it may not be as reliable as a Toyota ( not much is hahaha ) but it will prob still be a great car provided you keep up on your maintenance. Both my E90 & F30 have been pretty damn good cars.
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      11-24-2019, 05:27 PM   #1326
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I have leased 3 BMW'S. Currently have a X3 35i...no problems. The 535 sedan we had prior to that broke down and had to be towed with 20k miles...HPFP failure, among other issues...4k cost... thankfully covered under warranty....
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I have leased 3 BMW'S. Currently have a X3 35i...no problems. The 535 sedan we had prior to that broke down and had to be towed with 20k miles...HPFP failure, among other issues...4k cost... thankfully covered under warranty....
Ouch on the 4k repairs, I think any reliability concerns are down the road for people not during a lease period... Id hope you have no issues lol its practically a brand new car under 50k miles...

Issues and concerns for people are in the 50-150k mile range.
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B58 is a "twin turbo"? "M2C doesn't look or feel like an M car" .... I recall him not being a fan of the old gen 8 cylinder M3 as well. For how detailed his reviews are, you'd think he'd at least get the basic engine architecture right.
That was the first thing he said in the comment. I can see if someone fall in love with E46 will find anything subsequent "too big/heavy" etc (not sure if that's what he complained but E90 was kind the beginning of a departure I suppose)
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      11-25-2019, 07:55 AM   #1329
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Still haven't seen one in the wild yet either. Does anybody care about these cars except for auto journalists and self promoting Youtube shitheads?
I have only seen 1, one time, so far. I really like it.

Unless you want a launch edition, you can already find models advertised for thousands below MSRP for a couple of months now.

I'm still not sure I like it enough to actually go spend $50k+ on one though.


It's getting very hard for me to justify such an expensive car, especially from brand that can't seem to build reliable cars the last 15 years, and because I drive so little.
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I have only seen 1, one time, so far. I really like it.

Unless you want a launch edition, you can already find models advertised for thousands below MSRP for a couple of months now.

I'm still not sure I like it enough to actually go spend $50k+ on one though.


It's getting very hard for me to justify such an expensive car, especially from brand that can't seem to build reliable cars the last 15 years, and because I drive so little.
That's the thing... $50k. It's cool, I kinda like it, but not enough to drop $50k on one. Too many options in the $50k range. I think they should of made it less expensive, but then since it's mostly BMW I'm sure BMW would take issue if it was too cheap.
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That's the thing... $50k. It's cool, I kinda like it, but not enough to drop $50k on one. Too many options in the $50k range. I think they should of made it less expensive, but then since it's mostly BMW I'm sure BMW would take issue if it was too cheap.
Just shows you how much BMW is ripping us off while also building things with horrendous reliability that are crazy expensive to fix.
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Just shows you how much BMW is ripping us off while also building things with horrendous reliability that are crazy expensive to fix.
Thats why I always buy them used for 1/2 the price, not worth taking the hit... DIY some of the maint and take to an indy for stuff out of your league is the key to an affordable BMW...
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Just shows you how much BMW is ripping us off while also building things with horrendous reliability that are crazy expensive to fix.
Honestly there hasn't been a BMW I liked since my 2006 Z4MR. I had an E92 that was at the dealer more than at my house. At some point we also owned an F30 and an F10 it was alright but pretty much lost all interest in BMW after that.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I remember before if you wanted a nice looking car with a nice interior you basically had to get a German car. Did VW for a while then moved to BMW. However now days I really think the competition is much fiercer.
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      11-28-2019, 09:29 AM   #1334
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Just shows you how much BMW is ripping us off while also building things with horrendous reliability that are crazy expensive to fix.
I'm starting to wonder whether they send all the lemons to the US or something. I'm on my third BMW and never had any major problems, also never been worried about it breaking down - while you guys seem like you can't drive further than your local grocery store because you fear the car will fall apart.

BMW is not rated as any worse than other major brands here in Europe, and overall customer satisfaction is very high.


If you buy an expensive car second hand and expect it to be as cheap to own as a brand new Huyndai with a list price similar to what you bought your BMW second hand, then I understand you may be disappointed - otherwise I'm not sure what you're going on about.
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I like the new Zupra when I saw one on the road a few months ago. Sure wouldn't mind having one in my garage. That said, it will be a dilemma when it's time for service. Should I bring it to Toyota or BMW? With the former, it is all warranted, but it will be worked by folks who are used to RAV4s and Corollas.
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I like the new Zupra when I saw one on the road a few months ago. Sure wouldn't mind having one in my garage. That said, it will be a dilemma when it's time for service. Should I bring it to Toyota or BMW? With the former, it is all warranted, but it will be worked by folks who are used to RAV4s and Corollas.
Pretty sure you can't take to BMW unless it's an independent BMW shop...
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I like the new Zupra when I saw one on the road a few months ago. Sure wouldn't mind having one in my garage. That said, it will be a dilemma when it's time for service. Should I bring it to Toyota or BMW? With the former, it is all warranted, but it will be worked by folks who are used to RAV4s and Corollas.
BMWs aren't that hard to work on, they just need to spend a few hours training the technicians to do oil changes and basic maintenance. For bigger jobs like warrantied engine replacements they will bring in BMW support folks to help as needed and it's covered by your warranty.
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BMWs aren't that hard to work on, they just need to spend a few hours training the technicians to do oil changes and basic maintenance. For bigger jobs like warrantied engine replacements they will bring in BMW support folks to help as needed and it's covered by your warranty.
Yeah, but folks used to work on corollas and rav4s will need an attitude adjustment to actually pay attention to what they are doing.
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I'm starting to wonder whether they send all the lemons to the US or something. I'm on my third BMW and never had any major problems, also never been worried about it breaking down - while you guys seem like you can't drive further than your local grocery store because you fear the car will fall apart.

BMW is not rated as any worse than other major brands here in Europe, and overall customer satisfaction is very high.


If you buy an expensive car second hand and expect it to be as cheap to own as a brand new Huyndai with a list price similar to what you bought your BMW second hand, then I understand you may be disappointed - otherwise I'm not sure what you're going on about.
Yeah, bmws are fine for the most part, it's just in the US not too many people can work on them. Even those who can't realky work on them charge a lot of money for it.
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Just shows you how much BMW is ripping us off while also building things with horrendous reliability that are crazy expensive to fix.
I'm starting to wonder whether they send all the lemons to the US or something. I'm on my third BMW and never had any major problems, also never been worried about it breaking down - while you guys seem like you can't drive further than your local grocery store because you fear the car will fall apart.

BMW is not rated as any worse than other major brands here in Europe, and overall customer satisfaction is very high.


If you buy an expensive car second hand and expect it to be as cheap to own as a brand new Huyndai with a list price similar to what you bought your BMW second hand, then I understand you may be disappointed - otherwise I'm not sure what you're going on about.
Yes you have to factor in maintenance cost but it's not going to be a whole lot more expensive, the cost savings of buying used more than covers the slightly higher cost of maintenance most of the time.
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Yes you have to factor in maintenance cost but it's not going to be a whole lot more expensive, the cost savings of buying used more than covers the slightly higher cost of maintenance most of the time.
My point wasn't that it's a bad idea to buy second hand.
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