[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Advanced and Reconstruction take it to the next level. On my department, the traffic trained Deputies still work the crime calls, we just have an expertise in traffic. It admittedly makes us more well rounded. I can handle anything; a crime call, a DUI/DUI-D arrest, collisions, etc. Someone that is solely a crime car cannot say the same.

All divisional cars would to minor accidents and impaired. Generally if it was a PI then a division traffic unit or specialized traffic unit would do the investigation. Serious PI's or fatals were handled by Central Traffic because those investigations often took days and required reconstruction training, a total station etc.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

All divisional cars would to minor accidents and impaired. Generally if it was a PI then a division traffic unit or specialized traffic unit would do the investigation. Serious PI's or fatals were handled by Central Traffic because those investigations often took days and required reconstruction training, a total station etc.

We only reconstruct our fatal collisions if there's going to be significant litigation. Once I measure and diagram a fatal, and the coroner photographs the scene and takes the body, my station traffic detective works on the court filing. It happens pretty quickly.

[F30lolz]

Has anyone here sent you a PM/DM asking if they have any outstanding warrants?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by F30lolz

Has anyone here sent you a PM/DM asking if they have any outstanding warrants?

No! That would be hilarious.

I have had people contact me over personal matters involving the law though.

[Esteban]

What's the law re: conceal and carry in Cali?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

What's the law re: conceal and carry in Cali?

In terms of prohibited actions? Where you can carry? Etc.?

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

In terms of prohibited actions? Where you can carry? Etc.?

Yes, as a regular citizen.

[Esteban]

I think that's a no, right?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Yes, as a regular citizen.

The county you live in is pro-CCW. Apply with the Sheriff's Department. The process isn't too long. Once granted, your CCW will be good for two years. The renewal process is pretty simply as well.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The county you live in is pro-CCW. Apply with the Sheriff's Department. The process isn't too long.

Thank you.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Esteban

Thank you.

No problem. Cause statements shouldn't be needed anymore, but if you need help writing one, let me know.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

No problem. Cause statements shouldn't be needed anymore, but if you need help writing one, let me know.

Not a lot of experience with guns but this new world makes me feel the need to protect myself and my family.

[________]

You’re driving on the highway, and spot a car speeding down the other side. The speed is high enough that you’d normally engage in pursuit to nail the car down.
You can’t possibly make a U-turn as the divided highway cannot be crossed until a mile or so down.
You can’t read the licence plate, but you got a good look at the car (brand, model, colour) and driver (hair colour, gender, clothes).

Do you call it in so cops go chase on the other side where the car is headed to, or do you just write it off?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Onesie

You're driving on the highway, and spot a car speeding down the other side. The speed is high enough that you'd normally engage in pursuit to nail the car down.
You can't possibly make a U-turn as the divided highway cannot be crossed until a mile or so down.
You can't read the licence plate, but you got a good look at the car (brand, model, colour) and driver (hair colour, gender, clothes).

Do you call it in so cops go chase on the other side where the car is headed to, or do you just write it off?

I would write that one off for sure. There's nothing I could do about that speeder. Somebody on the other side of the road will call the car in and maybe a highway patrol unit will engage. They love to chase everything.

[Sedan_Clan]

FARO imaging technology is amazing for scanning fatal crashes.

[UncleWede]

You have FARO, but you are still learning equations on a green piece of paper??????

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

You have FARO, but you are still learning equations on a green piece of paper??????

We have maybe ten in the county; most used by our TSD Detectives. FARO maps the scene, but we still need to find the hard values (…e.g….friction rates, initial/ending speeds, skid length, crush, etc.).

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

We have maybe ten in the county; most used by our TSD Detectives. FARO maps the scene, but we still need to find the hard values (…e.g….friction rates, initial/ending speeds, skid length, crush, etc.).

I didn't realize you guys were all mathematicians. Pretty sure my attention span at this point in life negates any chance of me comprehending those formulas.

Curious though. Years ago my wife was in an auto accident. She was dead stopped on a road where people generally drive 50 in a 45 zone. 2 lanes each way divided by a grass strip. She comes around a corner and is stopped by a worker to allow a piece of heavy equipment to cross in a local construction zone. Broad daylight. No rain. Perfect visibility.

Car behind her is Chevy pickup truck driven by young girl. Apparently her phone held her in fascination and she doesn't look up or touch the brakes as she rams my wife's car from behind. So no skid marks or anything as far as I am aware.

The police report indicated she was moving at over 60 MPH on contact. How do they know or is this a "swag" based on the total destruction of my wife's car?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jamesinaz

I didn't realize you guys were all mathematicians. Pretty sure my attention span at this point in life negates any chance of me comprehending those formulas.

Curious though. Years ago my wife was in an auto accident. She was dead stopped on a road where people generally drive 50 in a 45 zone. 2 lanes each way divided by a grass strip. She comes around a corner and is stopped by a worker to allow a piece of heavy equipment to cross in a local construction zone. Broad daylight. No rain. Perfect visibility.

Car behind her is Chevy pickup truck driven by young girl. Apparently her phone held her in fascination and she doesn't look up or touch the brakes as she rams my wife's car from behind. So no skid marks or anything as far as I am aware.

The police report indicated she was moving at over 60 MPH on contact. How do they know or is this a "swag" based on the total destruction of my wife's car?

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Doing the math sucks, but it's true. Go math! Lol!

So wait….


….there were no skid marks at all?….not even rubber on the ground from your wife's car (…e.g. a strip, or strips of rubber left on the ground from her depressing the brakes when the impact occurred)? All you need are a few values to start working through the calculation. If the car has an EDR, you'll get speed values pre-crash, brake info, etc. There are also published co-efficient rates for all surfaces (…e.g…asphalt, cement, grass, sand, etc.) or you can use a drag sled to obtain those figures; all decimal. I can go on, but you can calculate it all.

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Doing the math sucks, but it's true. Go math! Lol!

So wait….


….there were no skid marks at all?….not even rubber on the ground from your wife's car (…e.g. a strip, or strips of rubber left on the ground from her depressing the brakes when the impact occurred)? All you need are a few values to start working through the calculation. If the car has an EDR, you'll get speed values pre-crash, brake info, etc. There are also published co-efficient rates for all surfaces (…e.g…asphalt, cement, grass, sand, etc.) or you can use a drag sled to obtain those figures; all decimal. I can go on, but you can calculate it all.

Speaking of EDR's... Do you need a warrant to access the data? How hard is it to get one? If I have a notarized letter stating that I have to give written permission to access the data, does that preclude access?

I have been leery of these devices ever since that girl back East (NH?, VT?) got charged with manslaughter when she lost control, hit a tree and her passenger was killed after hitting black ice. The EDR even showed she wasn't speeding or was traveling too fast for conditions.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

Speaking of EDR's... Do you need a warrant to access the data? How hard is it to get one? If I have a notarized letter stating that I have to give written permission to access the data, does that preclude access?

I have been leery of these devices ever since that girl back East (NH?, VT?) got charged with manslaughter when she lost control, hit a tree and her passenger was killed after hitting black ice. The EDR even showed she wasn't speeding or was traveling too fast for conditions.

We will only need a warrant if we impound the vehicle and then release it to you, but want access to the vehicle post-release. If we impound the vehicle at the scene we don't need a warrant. The car is held as evidence (…22655.5 CVC).

I'm not familiar with the EDR case you're referencing. I'll have to research it. Traveling too fast for the conditions can occur even if you're driving the prima facie limit, but other conditions render the posted speed too fast (…ex: driving the posted speed limit during heavy fog).

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Doing the math sucks, but it's true. Go math! Lol!

So wait….


….there were no skid marks at all?….not even rubber on the ground from your wife's car (…e.g. a strip, or strips of rubber left on the ground from her depressing the brakes when the impact occurred)? All you need are a few values to start working through the calculation. If the car has an EDR, you'll get speed values pre-crash, brake info, etc. There are also published co-efficient rates for all surfaces (…e.g…asphalt, cement, grass, sand, etc.) or you can use a drag sled to obtain those figures; all decimal. I can go on, but you can calculate it all.

Well maybe I'm wrong. They said there were no skid marks indicating the girl ever touched her brakes. Perhaps there were marks from my wife's car. Hadn't thought of that.