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      02-15-2020, 07:32 AM   #1497
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I can't believe I still haven't seen a single one of these on the road yet. I've been driving around Miami a ton too over the past month to explore new home/surroundings. Seen just about everything you could imagine, but like back in STL not a single Supra. I've seen very few new Z4s as well, maybe three in total.

I like that blue color, very nice.
Me too, have yet to see one in the flesh which is odd in SoFla considering you see everything down here. They obviously are not selling well.
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Me too, have yet to see one in the flesh which is odd in SoFla considering you see everything down here. They obviously are not selling well.
I know it's nuts!

I tell you what though, give me one in that new blue color with the power bump AND a six speed manual at $45k brand new out the door and I might be interested!
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Me too, have yet to see one in the flesh which is odd in SoFla considering you see everything down here. They obviously are not selling well.
I know it's nuts!

I tell you what though, give me one in that new blue color with the power bump AND a six speed manual at $45k brand new out the door and I might be interested!
Me too man. If it had a manual I would strongly consider one, especially at the ~$50k price point.
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The 370Z is a $30k car.
They still make that thing?
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      02-15-2020, 05:19 PM   #1501
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The 370Z is a $30k car.
They still make that thing?
Ha, that was exactly what I thought.
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again BMW/Toyota screwing the early adopters. SMH!

I get with a tune you can get the 2021 power and even more, but some owners just want to drive the car worry free without having to mod. :/
Reminds me of what happened with the previous generation Ducati Superbike. Ducati launched the 1098 to only launch the 1198 the next model year. To say the owners of the 1098 felt cheated was an understatement.
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Me too, have yet to see one in the flesh which is odd in SoFla considering you see everything down here. They obviously are not selling well.
My Toyota dealer currently has two in their inventory. One in the showroom and the other looks to be going through pre delivery inspection. One of the F&I guys bought the white launch edition that was allotted to the dealership.

I sat in the one on the showroom floor. Was very surprised how roomy it was for my 6'5" frame. The thing I noticed immediately was with the seat positioned properly for my long legs that the reach to the steering wheel was able to be adjusted perfectly. I'm not having to have my arms extended even with the steering wheel pulled out as far as it can go. I had the perfect arm bend in the Supra. Not sure if the head room would still be adequate with me in there with a helmet on.
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      02-16-2020, 05:40 PM   #1504
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And just like that I saw my first Supra in the wild today. It was a red one driving in the opposite direction as me. It looked pretty good, definitely would consider one.
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They still make that thing?
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Ha, that was exactly what I thought.

Haha, that they do. Nissan seems to be milking the 370Z, Frontier, and GTR for as long as they can.

https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/s...70z-coupe.html
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I've seen a couple of different colors in my area. Definitely unique little car.
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Haha, that they do. Nissan seems to be milking the 370Z, Frontier, and GTR for as long as they can.

https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/s...70z-coupe.html
Nissan is where you pay today's prices for last decades vehicles. I have no idea why anyone would even bother to set foot in a Nissan dealership given the options available today.
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Nissan is where you pay today's prices for last decades vehicles. I have no idea why anyone would even bother to set foot in a Nissan dealership given the options available today.
Believe it or not, the Frontier sells quite well. A little over 70,000 units in the US for 2019, and almost 80,000 in 2018. The GTR on the other hand, sold 331 in 2019, and the 370z sold a little over 2300. Clearly the latter 2 are not being well received. It'll be cool to see how the new Z will fair tho with the VR38 and all.
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Nissan are in all sorts of trouble, posting small profits but warning signs are there of a massive collapse.
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Nissan is where you pay today's prices for last decades vehicles. I have no idea why anyone would even bother to set foot in a Nissan dealership given the options available today.
I mean is that REALLLLYY different than Toyota lol?

Toyota just cornered the market better but god damn their cars are dated, the trucks are riding on like 15 year old chassis using the same old NA V6 and V8s... they don't even have a single turbo car.
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Nissan is where you pay today's prices for last decades vehicles. I have no idea why anyone would even bother to set foot in a Nissan dealership given the options available today.
I mean is that REALLLLYY different than Toyota lol?

Toyota just cornered the market better but god damn their cars are dated, the trucks are riding on like 15 year old chassis using the same old NA V6 and V8s... they don't even have a single turbo car.
Uh, check thread title. I mean, sure it's a BMW, but...
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I don't necessarily agree with that, even with early N55s, unless you're looking for power over 400whp, and even that is started to get negated when adding aftermarket turbos, the later N55 forged crank, etc. Outside of the obvious reliability advantage, the N55 feels better and sounds better than the N54, but I only have mine tuned to around 360 whp. Also, the N55 had better cooling in the block.
N55 does not sound better than an N54.

Also the n54 had forged internals from the beginning so BMW actually took a step back with the original n55s.
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I mean is that REALLLLYY different than Toyota lol?

Toyota just cornered the market better but god damn their cars are dated, the trucks are riding on like 15 year old chassis using the same old NA V6 and V8s... they don't even have a single turbo car.
At least not in the US. Toyota produces a 1.2L turbo 4 for the overseas markets. Nothing to right home about but it is a turbo. There are other power plants Toyota has for overseas markets which don't show up here.

From what I've seen, Toyota is a conservative company which doesn't want to change what has made them successful. Building reliable cars. And their customer base focuses on this aspect rather than wanting exciting and new. Although this is starting to change with their sales numbers from competitors offering enough for people to look else where.
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I mean is that REALLLLYY different than Toyota lol?

Toyota just cornered the market better but god damn their cars are dated, the trucks are riding on like 15 year old chassis using the same old NA V6 and V8s... they don't even have a single turbo car.
Toyota isn't a lot better but they have their reputation for reliability (which is largely due to re-using old tech) to fall back on and their new interiors at least look last gen as opposed to Nissans that look last decade. The latest Corolla and Camry aren't too shabby for entry level transportation and at least Toyota hasn't gone CVT crazy like Nissan, Subaru, Honda. The Japanese have all largely gone conservative over the last few decades as they have been last to jump on turbocharging, direct injection, advanced automatic gearboxes, etc. It's why I'm driving German cars almost exclusively as I don't care for domestics and most Japanese offerings are dated drivetrains and tech. They have totally left the door open for the Koreans who keep chipping away at their market shares.
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N55 does not sound better than an N54.
Most would disagree with you. It's hard to get past the raspy sound of the split exhaust manifold and two turbos (the S55 sounds even worse). The N55 and B58 sound like amped up naturally aspirated I6s because of the six exhaust ports discharging through one single turbo.

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Also the n54 had forged internals from the beginning so BMW actually took a step back with the original n55s.
A fully forged N54 is all speculation and something that has been proclaimed since the time of the N54, but never once proven with documentation that it actually equipped with all forged internals. Some earlier N54s have forged cranks, they all have forged rods (like most every other BMW), and they all have non-forged Hypereutectic pistons just like the N55 and B58. The N54 and N55 have open deck alum blocks, which are nearly identical except for some improved oil distribution jackets. The B58 is a closed deck alum block as it shares its block with the turbo diesel I6. The N54, N55, and B58 have alum heads.
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Nissan are in all sorts of trouble, posting small profits but warning signs are there of a massive collapse.
Nissan is the next Mitsubishi. The 370Z is what, 12 years old at this point?
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Nissan is the next Mitsubishi. The 370Z is what, 12 years old at this point?
Almost 20 years old now
Nissan FM chassis debuted in 2001 in the JDM V35 Skyline ie infiniti G35
The only difference in the 370z is the VQ37 vs VQ35 on the 350z
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The only difference in the 370z is the VQ37 vs VQ35 on the 350z
But also, every single body panel, every single piece of the interior, the wheelbase and the track width.

It's a bit like the Fox body Mustang going to the SN195 Mustang of the mid-90's. They ride on a modified version of the same chassis.
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