Why EVs Are Infinitely Better Than Fuel-Powered Cars

SoCal_NSX · 08-14-2023, 03:21 PM

this will rile some of you up ...don't kill the messanger :flamesuit

https://www.topspeed.com/why-electri...-powered-cars/

as someone who is lucky enough to have multiple vehicles currently and many fun cars throughout my years, I will say my Model 3 Performance has been the best daily driver I have ever owned and has ruined my perecption of what a car is supposed to do when you hit the gas pedal...the instant acceleration never gets old and I don't miss putting $75 in gas every week either.

tranquility · 08-14-2023, 03:37 PM

I didn't read the link but it's a no-brainer and only retrogrouches can't accept that. If they haven't already, they will for sure. Have you looked in an ICE engine bay lately? It's a freaking mess w all those hoses and thousands of working parts all waiting to leak and break down, and it's something crazy like 10% efficiency vs 90% efficiency for EVs (don't quote me exactly, but the ICE is grossly inefficient). What else is there to say?

gblansten · 08-14-2023, 05:02 PM

The instant acceleration is so much fun. I haven’t even remotely gotten used to it.

Germanauto · 08-14-2023, 07:28 PM

Not gonna feed the troll here. All I'll say is that EVs are indeed superior for the majority of uses for the majority of people; but much like a smart watch vs a Rolex, there will always be a desire and demand for cars that are more mechanical and tactile in nature. Such cars shouldn't be outlawed from continuing to be produced. That's what irks me.

Housekeeping · 08-14-2023, 08:57 PM

Love my ‘22 Plaid, really starting to dislike my X5M, another $3,800 today…..but it’s got 40k miles…..barf. Freakin engine plastics (tubes and such) are made of paper mache. 12 month total is $10,400, glad BMW picked up half. Never another ICE. Our Mercedes trans is going too…..grrrrr.

dreamingat30fps · 08-14-2023, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sy1616

Love my ‘22 Plaid, really starting to dislike my X5M, another $3,800 today…..but it’s got 40k miles…..barf. Freakin engine plastics (tubes and such) are made of paper mache. 12 month total is $10,400, glad BMW picked up half. Never another ICE. Our Mercedes trans is going too…..grrrrr.

I'm kinda in the same boat. Cayenne CPO is running out early next year and strongly considering another EV to replace it.

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Originally Posted by Germanauto

Not gonna feed the troll here. All I'll say is that EVs are indeed superior for the majority of uses for the majority of people; but much like a smart watch vs a Rolex, there will always be a desire and demand for cars that are more mechanical and tactile in nature. Such cars shouldn't be outlawed from continuing to be produced. That's what irks me.

The right tool for the right job. I have a model 3 and LOVE it. I have an F350 and LOVE it. I have a Miata and LOVE it! All totally different vehicles for different purposes and none can replace the other.

As for the politics I'll leave that to the other EV thread.

Car-Addicted · 08-14-2023, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

As for the politics I'll leave that to the other EV thread.

That would be the thread with the facts and reality.

Tejas1836 · 08-14-2023, 10:14 PM

LOL, have you read the article?

KevinC · 08-14-2023, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tranquility

I didn't read the link but it's a no-brainer and only retrogrouches can't accept that.

Yeah, no thanks.

Signed,

"Retrogrouch"

dreamingat30fps · 08-14-2023, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KevinC

Yeah, no thanks.

Signed,

"Retrogrouch"

Retrogrouch who doesn't like them sweet side pipes??? Poser.

KevinC · 08-14-2023, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Retrogrouch who doesn't like them sweet side pipes???

PhaceN52 · 08-15-2023, 06:29 AM

From the article:
"and have superior handling compared to gas-powered cars."
Mandatory, without context.

Tambohamilton · 08-15-2023, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tranquility

I didn't read the link but it's a no-brainer and only retrogrouches can't accept that. If they haven't already, they will for sure. Have you looked in an ICE engine bay lately? It's a freaking mess w all those hoses and thousands of working parts all waiting to leak and break down, and it's something crazy like 10% efficiency vs 90% efficiency for EVs (don't quote me exactly, but the ICE is grossly inefficient). What else is there to say?

40% Vs 90%...ish. It's nasty, how much power we throw out of the exhaust and through the radiator in an ICE.

Though I really don't fancy any of these electric cars when they're on fire, it's not like ICE cars never catch fire...

pbonsalb · 08-15-2023, 06:55 AM

I regularly read reports from people who try to drive their EV long distance or tow something are end up incredibly frustrated. One F150 owner recently abandoned his truck on a long trip. I suppose you could call it an adventure, but the reality is that the charging infrastructure is not yet sufficient for many potential EV users. For others, their use is well defined and they know of accessible, available and working chargers in their driving area.

If I had tons of money to spend on a toy, I would try one out. I’d spend extra on a high voltage home charger and could plan so my use would be limited to reasonably local drives. I think it could be fun to nerd out on the consumption data, regenerative braking, etc. And I wound enjoy the performance though using it reduces range.

Insurance is another surprise for many. It’s often much higher than for a gas engine car.

I will wait though I would consider a hybrid in my next car purchase in a couple of years. I think a lot of development is going on as other car makers try to move towards Tesla’s level.

Tambohamilton · 08-15-2023, 07:28 AM

Yeah, I know what you mean. Plenty electrical systems that can result in fires. Even so, something about better the devil you know with sitting on top of a box of petrol/diesel vs some sort of weird lithium incendiary device.

Car-Addicted · 08-15-2023, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tambohamilton

40% Vs 90%...ish. It's nasty, how much power we throw out of the exhaust and through the radiator in an ICE.

Here is one of the many issue the Greenies never think about!
Energy lost in power plants: About 65%, or 22 quadrillion Btus in the U.S. in 2013
Energy lost in transmission and distribution: About 6% – 2% in transmission and 4% in distribution – or 69 trillion Btus in the U.S. in 2013

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Originally Posted by Tambohamilton

Though I really don't fancy any of these electric cars when they're on fire, it's not like ICE cars never catch fire...

There are NO small EV fires.

https://insideenergy.org/2015/11/06/...and-your-plug/

fcman · 08-15-2023, 07:44 AM

I would say, based on the other thread, it’s not a problem of justification, it’s a problem of education and neophobia.

Car-Addicted · 08-15-2023, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fcman

I would say, based on the other thread, it’s not a problem of justification, it’s a problem of education and neophobia.

You say it's neophobia but I say it's more like Dunning-Kruger on the part of the greenies.

kyriian · 08-15-2023, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fcman

I would say, based on the other thread, it’s not a problem of justification, it’s a problem of education and neophobia.

It's a problem of people sticking their noses into other people's lives with zero context, and or understanding of their situations.

Me? I cannot afford one, nor do I want one used, I'll admit I do not want to give a cent to Elon because I disagree with anything he spews out, PHEV would work far better in my sitaution, it doesn't make me uneducated, nor neophobic, these things are not related, they are completely independent factors in someone making a big financial choice.

Frankly, I want an EV less because of the narrow minded superiority complex of the EV owners have shown.

What happened to agree to disagree?

fcman · 08-15-2023, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

You say it's neophobia but I say it's more like Dunning-Kruger.

I didnt want to be overly harsh, but yes. I agree.

Car-Addicted · 08-15-2023, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by fcman

I didnt want to be overly harsh, but yes. I agree.

OK I see what you did there. Nice try.

Tambohamilton · 08-15-2023, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Here is one of the many issue the Greenies never think about!
Energy lost in power plants: About 65%, or 22 quadrillion Btus in the U.S. in 2013
Energy lost in transmission and distribution: About 6% – 2% in transmission and 4% in distribution – or 69 trillion Btus in the U.S. in 2013

There are NO small EV fires.

https://insideenergy.org/2015/11/06/...and-your-plug/

US power plants only 35% efficient?? I thought it was way higher than that...

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tranquility sportscars only 3245 Rep 3,196 Posts Drives: 2011 Z4 sDrive 35i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Montréal iTrader: (0)	I didn't read the link but it's a no-brainer and only retrogrouches can't accept that. If they haven't already, they will for sure. Have you looked in an ICE engine bay lately? It's a freaking mess w all those hoses and thousands of working parts all waiting to leak and break down, and it's something crazy like 10% efficiency vs 90% efficiency for EVs (don't quote me exactly, but the ICE is grossly inefficient). What else is there to say? __________________ The richest one percent of this country owns half our country's wealth, five trillion dollars. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons and what I do, stock and real estate speculation...It's bullsh*t. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal...Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a democracy, are you buddy?
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fcman Captain 670 Rep 987 Posts Drives: 2023 G87 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (0)	I would say, based on the other thread, it’s not a problem of justification, it’s a problem of education and neophobia.
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