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      04-17-2017, 09:25 PM   #89
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The M5 is too much of a car to be driven on public roads. The M550 is at the limit of what everyday driver should be driving.
Even just the power of the 540i is more than enough. Not sure what you would do with the extra power that the M550xi has beyond the 540i. It's also overkill. I own a 550i, and almost never get to push it anywhere near its power limits. It's way overkill for what is within the safe/legal envelope on public roads in terms of acceleration and speed.
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Even just the power of the 540i is more than enough. Not sure what you would do with the extra power that the M550xi has beyond the 540i. It's also overkill. I own a 550i, and almost never get to push it anywhere near its power limits. It's way overkill for what is within the safe/legal envelope on public roads in terms of acceleration and speed.
I prefer the 540i, I can have more fun, I can rev it up to the limit more often than on the 550, the inline six is great. But the M550i gives me a better suspension and exhaust, so it was a no brainer.
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Even just the power of the 540i is more than enough. Not sure what you would do with the extra power that the M550xi has beyond the 540i. It's also overkill. I own a 550i, and almost never get to push it anywhere near its power limits. It's way overkill for what is within the safe/legal envelope on public roads in terms of acceleration and speed.
The 550 is not an overkill. It moves the f10 very effortlessly and smoothly. I owned the 535I and now the 550i.
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BMW's M brand has moved so far from its incarnation that it no longer represents what it's original purpose was. The M1 and the e30 M3 were and still are the true M cars. I humbly believe that the line in true M cars ended with the e46 M3 , the Z4 M and the e60 or perhaps e39 M5. Once the M cars got too big and heavy it was no longer about razor sharp handling and more about power. Ultimately to each his/her own. Get the car that makes you happy. Peace to you all.
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I think the G30 lineup is set up correctly, each trim (530, 540, M550 and M5) all have a quality that would make a potential customer pick one over the other models

With regards to power, I think the 530 is more than adequate for most people and it will be the volume seller (no brainer). HP and TQ aside, I could see someone choosing a 540 over a 530 for the straight-six, and I can see someone picking the M550 over the 540 for the V8.

With rumors of the M5 being an 8-Speed rather than a DCT, someone would largely be paying for the chassis enhancements on the M5 and not everyone would need or want that which is why I originally stated that the M550i would be the ideal car without going full fledged BMW M - with the M550, you still get a V8 and a 8-Speed AT.
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I think the G30 lineup is set up correctly, each trim (530, 540, M550 and M5) all have a quality that would make a potential customer pick one over the other models

With regards to power, I think the 530 is more than adequate for most people and it will be the volume seller (no brainer). HP and TQ aside, I could see someone choosing a 540 over a 530 for the straight-six, and I can see someone picking the M550 over the 540 for the V8.

With rumors of the M5 being an 8-Speed rather than a DCT, someone would largely be paying for the chassis enhancements on the M5 and not everyone would need or want that which is why I originally stated that the M550i would be the ideal car without going full fledged BMW M - with the M550, you still get a V8 and a 8-Speed AT.
the 520d is more than adequate for power for 99% of people
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That's just basal human behaviour... when your mind knows there is a "better", you're no longer satisfied with the "good" you have. Even when it's already plenty and probably (certainly?) richely abundant. I guess that's the topstar curse?

The new benchmark is probably the Chiron to many now. Ooohhh... many years to blabla ahead.
So over time I've gone from an E39 540i to an E39 M5, to an E60 550i, to an F10 M5 (with other BMWs in addition to that, list in sig). I'm likely going into the M550i this next time. Its a cost vs what I get out of the car. The F10 M5 impresses on an on-ramp and a big race track but is far more car than I can make use of on the street with out being foolish or risking a big fine. Plus in the case of the F10 550i, it felt unsatisfying. We shall see about the M550i. But all indications are I'll like it.
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It's not bad I guess. But it still isn't an E39.
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Yes. What he says :
The M5 is too much of a car to be driven on public roads. The M550 is at the limit of what everyday driver should be driving.
According to who? Maybe to a person like you the M5 is too much for you to handle on public roads but for others it is not. I drive my M5 on public roads all the time so I must be special and not an “everyday driver.”
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Yes. What he says :
The M5 is too much of a car to be driven on public roads. The M550 is at the limit of what everyday driver should be driving.
According to who? Maybe to a person like you the M5 is too much for you to handle on public roads but for others it is not. I drive my M5 on public roads all the time so I must be special and not an “everyday driver.”
I think the doc was sharing his own opinion - people are still allowed to have them right?
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According to who? Maybe to a person like you the M5 is too much for you to handle on public roads but for others it is not. I drive my M5 on public roads all the time so I must be special and not an “everyday driver.”

No, he's got a point...... As stunning and exciting as the M5 is to drive, it's undeniable that its not a car you can relax in. Having owned E39/E60/F10 M5's and 535d's, it's the 535 that you can drive everyday. The power and delivery of the 535 is always there, whereas you have to work the m5 to get the kick (huge as it is). EG - short overtake on single carriageway..... 535 you can just plant the foot and go, whereas the M5 needs to change down, rev high then go..... aroun town, it just feels to 'on edge', reflected by lots of reviewers. You might be a 'special' driver, who knows, but given the choice for a 535/m550 or an M5 for long drives, I, along with most, would walk past the M.
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I think the doc was sharing his own opinion - people are still allowed to have them right?
Yes he does, I am just sharing mine. Are we allow to disagree?

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No, he's got a point...... As stunning and exciting as the M5 is to drive, it's undeniable that its not a car you can relax in. Having owned E39/E60/F10 M5's and 535d's, it's the 535 that you can drive everyday. The power and delivery of the 535 is always there, whereas you have to work the m5 to get the kick (huge as it is). EG - short overtake on single carriageway..... 535 you can just plant the foot and go, whereas the M5 needs to change down, rev high then go..... aroun town, it just feels to 'on edge', reflected by lots of reviewers. You might be a 'special' driver, who knows, but given the choice for a 535/m550 or an M5 for long drives, I, along with most, would walk past the M.
So the power and delivery for the 535d is always there but you have to warm up the M5? So you are saying the 535d is more responsive then the M5 since you have to configure it in order to get it to perform. What is there to work? Both cars you just plant your foot in the petal and the car goes. When it comes to long drives I would prefer the m5 over the 535d/M550i. The car is more luxurious than either of the two and can perform as a race car at the drop of a hat.
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It's not bad I guess. But it still isn't an E39.
LOL, my e39 is 15 years now and still my daily ride. I currently have now 70k miles on the odo.

I always wonder why sentimentalism concerning the e39 is often founded on the pure driving sensations it would deliver. Maybe it once did, relatively to the cars available in 2002. Today it certainly isn't anymore.

When somebody offers his G30 for my e39, I woud face the easiest decision in my entire live.

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Are you implying that 530xi is not fun to drive? Or one must drive a gas guzzling V8 to have fun behind the wheel? Or that a combination of frugality and practicality precludes one from having 'fun'? That's crazy talk ��

And 'High HP' is relative. 99.9% of the drivers on this planet would not be able to drive the 4cyl 530xi to its full engineered potential in street driving enviro, let alone exploit its limits on the track.

Not to mention that not long ago some 'high performance' models had less than 250 hp. I don't recall too many complaints about the cars being 'low HP' or not fun.
Of course a 530i is plenty - says a member with a 518d! - But I don't agree with the often repeated statement: you can only appreciate a car that you can handle to its limits.

I can testify that I honestly did appreciate the relentless build of torque along a very wide and high rpm band of the M6 I drove for several days in Germany two years back. The sweeping unrestricted high road runs across the black forest or the diff lock you feel when you smash the accelerator on apex while the tires scream for grip are just simply breath taking.

Could I run a serious qualifying hot lap on the Nurburgring with it? Certainly not! Would I have died during the process? Probably I would at the 2nd or 3rd turn already.

This proves that even a nitwit like me craves for such a monster. The question is, can you afford it and are you willing to bare the much higher costs?

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Even just the power of the 540i is more than enough. Not sure what you would do with the extra power that the M550xi has beyond the 540i. It's also overkill. I own a 550i, and almost never get to push it anywhere near its power limits. It's way overkill for what is within the safe/legal envelope on public roads in terms of acceleration and speed.
You can never use the power of any 550 because the car's suspension isn't up to the task. Dynamically the chassis of the 5er just doesn't cut it. As for all those M badges on a poser M car..... I just don't get it.
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LOL, my e39 is 15 years now and still my daily ride. I currently have now 70k miles on the odo.

I always wonder why sentimentalism concerning the e39 is often founded on the pure driving sensations it would deliver. Maybe it once did, relatively to the cars available in 2002. Today it certainly isn't anymore.

When somebody offers his G30 for my e39, I woud face the easiest decision in my entire live.

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My 2002 E39 530 sport with the manual tranny was one of the sweetest driving cars you could ever ask for. A lesson in perfect balance and harmony. Precious few cars will ever match it.
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LOL, my e39 is 15 years now and still my daily ride. I currently have now 70k miles on the odo.

I always wonder why sentimentalism concerning the e39 is often founded on the pure driving sensations it would deliver. Maybe it once did, relatively to the cars available in 2002. Today it certainly isn't anymore.

When somebody offers his G30 for my e39, I woud face the easiest decision in my entire live.

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My 2002 E39 530 sport with the manual tranny was one of the sweetest driving cars you could ever ask for. A lesson in perfect balance and harmony. Precious few cars will ever match it.
Aren't those older cars more comparable to the 3 or 4 series now? Like in terms of size etc.
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My 2002 E39 530 sport with the manual tranny was one of the sweetest driving cars you could ever ask for. A lesson in perfect balance and harmony. Precious few cars will ever match it.
makes me wanna miss my 02 525 manual.
for that engine it was a great car.
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LOL, my e39 is 15 years now and still my daily ride. I currently have now 70k miles on the odo.

I always wonder why sentimentalism concerning the e39 is often founded on the pure driving sensations it would deliver. Maybe it once did, relatively to the cars available in 2002. Today it certainly isn't anymore.

When somebody offers his G30 for my e39, I woud face the easiest decision in my entire live.

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you're totally right. most people who miss that car havent driven it in years. it was a great car for the time but would be blown out by a 320i now. we tend to reminisce about our old cars. so the real reason people still mention that (and other older cars) is nostalgia

I still think my first car (93 Acura integra) was the best car ever because it was my first! I'm sure if I drove it today it would completely change my perception of it though
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Even just the power of the 540i is more than enough. Not sure what you would do with the extra power that the M550xi has beyond the 540i. It's also overkill. I own a 550i, and almost never get to push it anywhere near its power limits. It's way overkill for what is within the safe/legal envelope on public roads in terms of acceleration and speed.
You can never use the power of any 550 because the car's suspension isn't up to the task. Dynamically the chassis of the 5er just doesn't cut it. As for all those M badges on a poser M car..... I just don't get it.
And that's what different from the old 550i to the new M550i, it gets a different suspension than the other g30.
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You can never use the power of any 550 because the car's suspension isn't up to the task. Dynamically the chassis of the 5er just doesn't cut it. As for all those M badges on a poser M car..... I just don't get it.
You can't fully use the power of the 550i on public roads in the US because of safety and legal concerns, not the suspension. It's just overkill. Everything that I do with the 550i, I could just as well do with the 535i. I don't drive any faster or accelerate any faster in real-world driving with the 550i than I did with the 535i that I had before. It's just not within the scope of what is remotely legal or safe to push it beyond that level. It will be the same with the M550ix vs 540ix.
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You can't fully use the power of the 550i on public roads in the US because of safety and legal concerns, not the suspension. It's just overkill. Everything that I do with the 550i, I could just as well do with the 535i. I don't drive any faster or accelerate any faster in real-world driving with the 550i than I did with the 535i that I had before. It's just not within the scope of what is remotely legal or safe to push it beyond that level. It will be the same with the M550ix vs 540ix.
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