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      09-06-2019, 04:29 AM   #23
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That section of the track really is dangerous as speed. It would suck to modify it but it's necessary. If anything an extra chicane would force the drivers to slow down and reduce the risk greatly.
I'd go with that, would make it more safer.
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Come on guys. This is racing and yes, it's very dangerous.

Very sad to lose such a young guy but this was in many ways a rare accident.
An extra chicane in Eau Rouge (and Pouhon? and Blanchimont?) would spoil the thrill of this legendary circuit. And basically of F1.
Remember how safety measures killed the great old Hockenheimring? Nowadays a very clinical and boring track.

What bothers me about the incident though is that drivers were blasting flat out through the runoff area. The fatal collision even took place in the runoff area and that is crazy.
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Perhaps building a straight bridge between La Source and Radillon will make it safer

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Come on guys. This is racing and yes, it's very dangerous.

Very sad to lose such a young guy but this was in many ways a rare accident.
An extra chicane in Eau Rouge (and Pouhon? and Blanchimont?) would spoil the thrill of this legendary circuit. And basically of F1.
Remember how safety measures killed the great old Hockenheimring? Nowadays a very clinical and boring track.

What bothers me about the incident though is that drivers were blasting flat out through the runoff area. The fatal collision even took place in the runoff area and that is crazy.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...eau-rouge.html

Take a moment and read this...it's the history of Eau Rouge....I remember the temporary chicane installed halfway up the Eau Rouge hill after Senna's demise in 1994 (see pic #2 of 6)....it was pathetic....if the speeds are too high at Eau Rouge, perhaps the double apex decreasing radius turn at Pouhon (Turn 12) should be straightened out....as EdM5 stated, the shunt that claimed Hubert occurred off-track....leading to the thought that if a car is nearly stopped in a runoff area, and another car enters the runoff area out of control....bad things are going to happen.
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Halo saved *Sean Gelael* during the F2 crash on Saturday !

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How the fatal crash happened in detail ... Terrible !

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How the fatal crash happened in detail ... Terrible !


Thanks for the video. It makes it clear how all the little events snowballed into the disaster.


I'm not blaming anyone, but if there was someway to go to yellow/double yellow/red flags as soon as Alesi was a hazard, it might slowed everybody down.
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Last Tuesday it was the funeral from Antoine .. "Rest in peace Antoine"

*A video and pictures from Antoine's funeral are here => https://www.ad.nl/formule-1/autospor...bert~a6bbd051/
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So incredibly tragic; I was mowing lawns on Saturday and checked my phone and it was posted on the front page of CNN....it breaks my heart to see this occur....you immediately begin running through the checklist in your head of how far motorsport safety has come (I'm 67 and remember the ugly period in F1 during Sir Jackie Stewart's reign)....and you check off the unbelievable integrity of the survival cell they sit in, and how much design and controlled impact testing occurs to the CF monocoque, the fuel cell, the crumble and energy absorption zones on the car, the halo, the foam collar around the cockpit, the lowering of the driver deep into the car with uber-minimal amounts of driver exposed, etc....etc....etc....) and then you see this....a car has slowed significantly off the racing line....another car is out of control and off the racing line (I'm estimating the car that hit Anthoine was traveling appx 125-150 mph faster)....no level(s) of FIA mandated safety can overcome the math of this type of impact)....after telling my wife of this loss, I wept....it seemed sureal to return to lawn mowing, knowing the unbelievable loss that the Hubert family was walking into.

This horrific impact of a car nearly stopped and another car traveling at near race speed reminded me of the Alex Zanardi incident in Indy Car, when he came out of the pits and spun on cold tires at a high speed oval in Germany....he was stopped, sideways to the track in the racing line, when another car hit Alex at about the steering wheel area in the side....it sheared the car entirely off, with Alex's legs still in the sheared off footwell front of the car....again, no safety precaution can prevent this type of shunt.

I grieve for the family and the racing community, and for us, fellow motorsport fans that love this sport and call it our own.
Antoine Hubert's funeral and tribute:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...w8qP8VSvI.html
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Antoine Hubert's funeral and tribute:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...w8qP8VSvI.html
Insightful video analysis of the deadly crash in detail ...


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Insightful video analysis of the deadly crash in detail ...


This is the most dispassionate, insightful, factual assessment published to-date regarding Eau Rouge....THANK YOU for posting this.
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Come on guys. This is racing and yes, it's very dangerous.

Very sad to lose such a young guy but this was in many ways a rare accident.
An extra chicane in Eau Rouge (and Pouhon? and Blanchimont?) would spoil the thrill of this legendary circuit. And basically of F1.
Remember how safety measures killed the great old Hockenheimring? Nowadays a very clinical and boring track.

What bothers me about the incident though is that drivers were blasting flat out through the runoff area. The fatal collision even took place in the runoff area and that is crazy.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/f...eau-rouge.html

Take a moment and read this...it's the history of Eau Rouge....I remember the temporary chicane installed halfway up the Eau Rouge hill after Senna's demise in 1994 (see pic #2 of 6)....it was pathetic....if the speeds are too high at Eau Rouge, perhaps the double apex decreasing radius turn at Pouhon (Turn 12) should be straightened out....as EdM5 stated, the shunt that claimed Hubert occurred off-track....leading to the thought that if a car is nearly stopped in a runoff area, and another car enters the runoff area out of control....bad things are going to happen.
Thanks for the linked article, it was an interesting read. I never knew that Eau Rouge was so wide back in the day!
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Thanks for the linked article, it was an interesting read. I never knew that Eau Rouge was so wide back in the day!
Eau Rouge in 1965. Looks crazy dangerous to me ..
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Thanks for the linked article, it was an interesting read. I never knew that Eau Rouge was so wide back in the day!
Eau Rouge in 1965. Looks crazy dangerous to me ..
Reminds me of the Group B rally days. Those must have been really different times for behavior like that to be allowed!
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Reminds me of the Group B rally days. Those must have been really different times for behavior like that to be allowed!
Those were the days before 'health and safety' came in.The Ford Escorts with huge rear flared wings with thin tyres and the fastest moving things were the fans running out of the way before they arrived.
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