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      12-11-2019, 11:07 PM   #1
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Taycan Turbo S rated for 201 miles EPA range

Looks like EPA testing has given it the number of 201, much less than Porsche was hoping for. Don't think that will attract many cross-shopping Tesla.


https://www.yahoo.com/autos/porsche-...204500393.html
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      12-12-2019, 01:42 AM   #2
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Ouch, that's gonna hurt, especially since they are going to have to put that on the window sticker. Kind of disappointed by this, its bad enough that non-Tesla EV's have to use 3rd party chargers for trips, which are already not fast enough or rarely ever work (Electrify America I know has had a ton of complaints) but to also only have 200 miles of range (in optimal conditions), that's not good.

While I'm sure owners will have another vehicle in their garage, I find it quite perplexing that we keep pushing this "electric future," yet no one other than Tesla can get past the 300 mile range, as well as provide infrastructure.
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Yawn.
Watch how fast Matt Farah killed the battery on his, driving it hard. Hard pass on these electrical vehicles, except maybe something cheap for an in-town commuter.
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So the fast car doesn't go fast for long? Who would've thunk!

Only EV I would consider is a Leaf, because it's cheap and gets me where I need to go. Would have already picked one up if I had a way to charge it that doesn't require me to remove the M from the garage.
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Porsche made the conscious decision to weight performance over range, but I would say this decision has went too far that way..., really hope when BMW came out with i4 they can outrange Tesla (4 sec 0 to 60 is more than plenty, to me more important to outrange...)
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Yawn.
Watch how fast Matt Farah killed the battery on his, driving it hard. Hard pass on these electrical vehicles, except maybe something cheap for an in-town commuter.
That was my takeaway from his review as well, although i noted how the car just seemed to warp from spot to spot through the road. Impressive, but I’ll consider high performance EV’s when I’m confident that i can drive them hard for more than 70-ish miles
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Tesla fanboys will have a field day.
But I do wonder, how often does one drive a $200k car far anyway?

A Model S will appeal to those that can't afford a Taycan Turbo S. The pricing gulf is insane. It likens to some one cross shops a Kia Stinger to an M5. Sure both are fast sedans. Just complete different demographics. Those who buys the Turbo S because "Taycan".
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No electric vehicle does both fast and far. You can pick one or the other. In reality 200 miles is way, way more than enough for 90% of Porsche drivers 99% of the time. Let's face it most Porsches are driven slow, in the left lane, between work, the golf club and home.

Also these are premium cars. If you have any financial business buying one you should have other cars for long trips if that's your thing.
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No electric vehicle does both fast and far. You can pick one or the other. In reality 200 miles is way, way more than enough for 90% of Porsche drivers 99% of the time. Let's face it most Porsches are driven slow, in the left lane, between work, the golf club and home.

Also these are premium cars. If you have any financial business buying one you should have other cars for long trips if that's your thing.
IDK where you live but I would disagree that is how they're driven.
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A Taycan would need multiple charging stops on some of our PCA cruises.... at least the way most of us drive.
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IDK where you live but I would disagree that is how they're driven.
I live near you, and your city has so much traffic nothing gets driven more than 5 mph most of the time. All jokes aside, from what I've seen in Austin slow and boring is definitely how most Porsches, and other premium performance cars are driven. The rule on Lime Creek is, the nicer the car, the slower the driver.
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I live in the same town and P cars are mostly road blocks. The more actual capability, the slower they tend to be driven. A clapped out 924 is probably the most aggressively driven one in all of Travis County.

Of course I live in West Lake, so 61 is Ludicrous Speed for most drivers.
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i dont think its a big deal... who takes an EV on a roadtrip? 200 miles is plenty for normal everyday activities.

and this car is more of a status symbol. I remember when the hot thing for the eco-conscious folks was to get a prius... then it was a $100k tesla... now its a near-200k porsche. the best "humble brag" type of car you can buy.
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i dont think its a big deal... who takes an EV on a roadtrip? 200 miles is plenty for normal everyday activities.

and this car is more of a status symbol. I remember when the hot thing for the eco-conscious folks was to get a prius... then it was a $100k tesla... now its a near-200k porsche. the best "humble brag" type of car you can buy.
While this will likely be one car of many in a garage, I will say at least for the 4S I'm very interested in the range. I'm wanting to go electric next, but want something that's luxurious like my CLS.

The Model S while nice doesn't fit the luxury bill, although it isn't a terrible cabin, still nice enough, but the 373 miles and pleasant handling and autopilot/tech features are something that I would be willing to excuse the interior for.

I'm also interested in a lightly optioned Taycan 4S as I don't need all the power nor the incredibly high price of the Turbo/TurboS (also a turbo badge on an EV would bug me &#128514. Because we also have an M2, my car would be the daily/car to take on trips, which while we don't take too many, we do take at least 2-3 long-range trips/year to South Carolina or Boston. Its nice to be able to know with the Tesla I could do it reasonably with the 350+ mile range and access to superchargers and charging info thats well integrated into the car's nav system, as well as entertainment built in the car for when charging (netflix, youtube, etc).

The Taycan worries me. While I won't need to charge outside of my home most times, the idea of taking it on a trip would be something where I'd possibly have to consider a rental. And while the range is stated by the EPA, that is for ideal circumstances. So if the weather changes, or I even have a little fun and push the car on the trip, the range is easily diminished. Of course this also applies to the Mode S, but the Model S already has a larger range that helps ease things.

I'm most likely gonna go with the S, but I do hope the Taycan succeeds, and I can't wait to drive one!
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      12-13-2019, 12:23 AM   #15
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i dont think its a big deal... who takes an EV on a roadtrip? 200 miles is plenty for normal everyday activities.

and this car is more of a status symbol. I remember when the hot thing for the eco-conscious folks was to get a prius... then it was a $100k tesla... now its a near-200k porsche. the best "humble brag" type of car you can buy.
I see lots of people taking EVs on road-trips. I know of people that take their Tesla from Denver up to WP and back. I see them in places on the Kenai Peninsula and Talkeetna where they had to drive for hours to get there. I think 200 does kind of relegate it to a city-car, which is sad. I think it takes 300 or to make it one of those road-trip cars where you'll drive a few hours each way to go do something. I see the utility go up dramatically at the 300 mile level, putting electric cars on par with fossil fuels. It kind of doesn't make sense that the Porsche would be so poor in this regard, like there couldn't be a mostly software mode/mod that would allow for extended range, given it's battery size.
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      12-13-2019, 12:26 AM   #16
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I live in the same town and P cars are mostly road blocks. The more actual capability, the slower they tend to be driven.
Well yes, I find that I have very little to prove while other people/cars are around
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Taycan clients won't care. Anybody familiar with Porsche knows that they barely negotiate and have very high money factors. The people complaining need to shift out of the "value" mindset because that's not what Porsche has ever been about. Porsche has never been about having the nicest interiors, best tech, best price, or any other "value" metrics. It's all about the driving experience and exclusivity with Porsche.


Plus, Taycan clients more likely have one or two other cars in the garage for longer drives.
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but there is a catch or there was.. it has 800 volts arch that with proper hardware it can charge up to 100km after 5 mins of charging.. if im remembering it right Model 3 has 350..
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I see the utility go up dramatically at the 300 mile level, putting electric cars on par with fossil fuels.
In the context you're discussing (road trips), 300 miles does not put an EV on par with a fossil fuel car. Not close. My car can do 550-600 miles per tank, and I use that range in my travel. An EV would add at least an additional 1 hour stop to the same trip (each direction). Sorry, that's not "on par". I have better things to do with my time than sit at a super charger station for an hour claiming parity as the fossil fuel cars fly by.

I agree with you that 300 mile range seems to be the threshold for EV usefulness for a wide swath of the marketplace.
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In the context you're discussing (road trips), 300 miles does not put an EV on par with a fossil fuel car. Not close. My car can do 550-600 miles per tank, and I use that range in my travel. An EV would add at least an additional 1 hour stop to the same trip (each direction). Sorry, that's not "on par". I have better things to do with my time than sit at a super charger station for an hour claiming parity as the fossil fuel cars fly by.

I agree with you that 300 mile range seems to be the threshold for EV usefulness for a wide swath of the marketplace.
Well, your car isn't a GT350/500 with a tiny 16g tank either!
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In the context you're discussing (road trips), 300 miles does not put an EV on par with a fossil fuel car. Not close. My car can do 550-600 miles per tank
LMAO. Nice brag on that diesel, but your 550-600 miles a tank really isn't on par with other cars either. Like, really? Not that tank size is a big deal anyway, because petro cars can be fueled up in a few minutes and you're on your way.

I have EVs but I would never take them on a road trip even with supercharging and stuff. Sitting around for a long drive is bad enough, having to stop for more than a few minutes is even worse. There are exceptions to that attitude, but they are just that, exceptions--not the rule.
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people commonly miscategorize electric cars. electric cars are second cars that you daily drive. your first car is a gas car. get it?
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