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      01-15-2019, 06:02 PM   #177
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I think the problem is that Toyota fanboys have long thought of their Supra as the "anti-German/anti-Yuppie" sports car that has a huge tuner community backing it up. Now that their new car is essentially a BMW, they're having a hard time digesting it.

Can you imagine if the next M3 was built by Audi, or even Porsche? Guys around here would go nuts.
I get that, but there are so few complaints about the modern corolla/celica. At least this didn't come with a pathetic 150whp like the frs/86. And I wouldn't be shocked if audi built the next BMW, they already build everything else
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      01-15-2019, 06:06 PM   #178
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^Most Supra owners are actually shitting all over this thing.
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      01-15-2019, 06:33 PM   #179
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      01-15-2019, 06:49 PM   #180
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      01-15-2019, 07:22 PM   #181
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Im assuming its also gonna have a BMW car key and wheels secured with BOLTs , This is gonna confuse the hell out of Toyota Dealer Techs.. They are gonna see all kinda wierd bolt sizes and styles ie torx / reverse torx etc etc... One positive will be maybe even more aftermarket parts for the motor etc which will also work on actual BMWs.

Why didnt they just use a chassis like the RCF and also Toyota / Lexus interior which they are totally capable of doing. Then if dont want to invest into a modern I6
to keep it true to its roots just use BMW's Engine / Trasmission but leave the rest of the car 100% Toyota, That would of been a much better choice vs just using an actual BMW with a body kit.
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      01-15-2019, 07:32 PM   #182
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FD is definitely a designer's finest work when it comes to Japan. Hell even the 2000gt is remarkable next to this.
No offense but it looks like a Plymouth Prowler
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      01-15-2019, 07:43 PM   #183
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Someone already made a drop top render.


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Someone already a drop top render.

That makes it look more like a Z4.
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      01-15-2019, 07:59 PM   #185
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That makes it look more like a Z4.
Yep. Identical.

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      01-15-2019, 08:01 PM   #186
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I think it actually looks decent in the videos from the auto show, not so much in the official release pictures tho. I have a hard time believing it'll be much if any faster than a Z4, but hopefully we see em hit the track come late summer/fall.

It does seem like this should be called something other than a supra, perhaps celica or something, but not supra. It's too much BMW to carry on that name IMO.

Seems like the maintenance/dealer experience would be crazy difficult given just how different these brands appear on the surface..I guess time will tell. Did BMW just give up all their IP on the electronics/mechanicals to make this all work?

Good news is this is the best Toyota infotainment yet!
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I think it actually looks decent in the videos from the auto show, not so much in the official release pictures tho. I have a hard time believing it'll be much if any faster than a Z4, but hopefully we see em hit the track come late summer/fall.

It does seem like this should be called something other than a supra, perhaps celica or something, but not supra. It's too much BMW to carry on that name IMO.

Seems like the maintenance/dealer experience would be crazy difficult given just how different these brands appear on the surface..I guess time will tell. Did BMW just give up all their IP on the electronics/mechanicals to make this all work?

Good news is this is the best Toyota infotainment yet!
Surprising how light it is with all the tech and safety equipment that's required. Not sure if this is lighter or heavier than the Z4 and what the 0-60 is on that? The MZ40i has more power. We will have to wait for the MZ4 with S55 or S58, that will be the track monster everyone is waiting for, no one will even pay attention to the Supra when that lands.
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      01-15-2019, 08:25 PM   #188
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I donít know what it is but I just find him annoying.
He elicits the same automatic response from my brain too
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Honestly I have a hard time wrapping my head around people on a BMW forum speaking poorly about Toyota using parts supplied from BMW.
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I will say I like the car for what it is... it's effectively a compact Z4 and a light one at that.

The mistake here is giving it the Supra badge... at this point and time; a Supra should be a GTR class car... this is almost like a more powerful FRS. This is a BMW with a Toyota badge.... I am just not sure who Toyota's market for this car will be.
I actually wish this were a branded BMW with the full 382hp. I guess BMW tried to save money by partnering and Toyota did itís best to chinch out by only providing trunk, hood and airbag Toyota badges.
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Honestly I have a hard time wrapping my head around people on a BMW forum speaking poorly about Toyota using parts supplied from BMW.
Actually, Iíd like it better if it were a badged BMW. What Iím disappointed in is that I guess I was expecting Toyota to do something unique with the underpinnings and they essentially did nothing....thatís what Iím irritated by. Itís like they couldnít be bothered and the want to charge you $50k for it. If it were BMW, Iíd consider paying $60k as weird as that seems.
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Surprising how light it is with all the tech and safety equipment that's required. Not sure if this is lighter or heavier than the Z4 and what the 0-60 is on that? The MZ40i has more power. We will have to wait for the MZ4 with S55 or S58, that will be the track monster everyone is waiting for, no one will even pay attention to the Supra when that lands.
Donít forget that the extra weight in the Z4 probably has to do with extra metal used to protect the occupants since itís a convertible and try to stiffen the chassis since thereís no top.
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Step 1: Release new Supra
Step 2: Price it within spitting distance of M2C
Step 3: ???
Step 4: M2 lives on another generation as a manual due to strong sales after release of new Supra
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Step 1: Release new Supra
Step 2: Price it within spitting distance of M2C
Step 3: ???
Step 4: M2 lives on another generation as a manual due to strong sales after release of new Supra
Considering you can get a used M2 in the very low $40ks, why would you just do that?
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Considering you can get a used M2 in the very low $40ks, why would you just do that?
M2C has the nicer engine. Maybe get a refurbished one in a few months, though I don't see many people unloading these soon unless they're leasing and want the next best thing so they pay off the lease ( or let you just takeover the rest of the lease)
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I can't get past the fact that it just looks like an FRS based kit car to me. It's narrow, short wheelbase, and tall. This is so different from the FT-1 concept it's like watching a burger king commercial and then getting the same food in real life. Deflated and lacking the appeal it should have had. Toyota really can't get away from that new Lexus styling and it's exhausting. If you would have told me this was a new LC model, I'd have believed it. Even telling me it was a redesigned FRS I'd believe that. Either of those over the 'mkv supra'
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Surprising how light it is with all the tech and safety equipment that's required. Not sure if this is lighter or heavier than the Z4 and what the 0-60 is on that? The MZ40i has more power. We will have to wait for the MZ4 with S55 or S58, that will be the track monster everyone is waiting for, no one will even pay attention to the Supra when that lands.
Don’t forget that the extra weight in the Z4 probably has to do with extra metal used to protect the occupants since it’s a convertible and try to stiffen the chassis since there’s no top.
Yeah, 1,100 extra pounds over a 5 Star rated ND Miata should net you something.
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