[AP]

Yep. Manufacturers seem to be emulating Tesla to varying extents. That tablet stuck on the dashboard approach is just so wrong on so many levels


We’re humans and we work best with tactile objects that fit the hand. Look up ergonomics

I’ll stop here as I’ll just end up ranting

Looking forward to driving the m550 at the weekend

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by AP

Yep. Manufacturers seem to be emulating Tesla to varying extents. That tablet stuck on the dashboard approach is just so wrong on so many levels


We’re humans and we work best with tactile objects that fit the hand. Look up ergonomics

I’ll stop here as I’ll just end up ranting

Looking forward to driving the m550 at the weekend

Exactly. My previous Merc had a button for everything and a 6-speed manual. Took me months to acclimate to the G31. I don't even use half of the functions on the dash.

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by Neusser

I've seen a few on the Autobahns over here. Followed one the other day. I can't say I like them, but with the M-kit they look ok.

As so often with modern BMWs, I suspect the wagon will look better than the sedan, and I think the general design works better in the metal then in photos.

As for the interior, I could never live with it. I am no fan of the I-podization of everything.

I saw it in the flesh back in Munich when it had just launched and I didn't even like it then. Until that point, I was hopeful that I would feel differently after seeing it in person. I too think the wagon might look better, but unfortunately something we don't get in the US I believe. Not having everything touch and iPad-ish is one of the major reasons I bought the G30.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by adhrp

I don't know about that. I read somewhere that they're accumulating on dealer lots. I have seen all of ONE in my city thus far, which is chock full of BMWs and luxury cars. Even some YouTube reviewers who rarely say anything negative have dumped on its design. I'm very curious to see the sales figures for this model.

Enjoy your road trip, it will be amazing!

The all electrics probably are sitting around on lots. That’s still a much more niche segment than the auto makers or governments want it to be. I think they’ve all made a bad bet.

I want to see how it does in the US when the 530 and 540 are available. And if they introduce the I6 hybrid powertrain.

[AP]

In Europe , for 2024 22% of cars produced have to be EVs now , so that’s forced upon them
(Not sure if that’s cars actually manufactured or for cars destined for sale in europe only)

That percentage will ramp up to 100% as the years progress

I’m sure if those rules weren’t in place the line would look very different

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by AP

In Europe , for 2024 22% of cars produced have to be EVs now , so that’s forced upon them
(Not sure if that’s cars actually manufactured or for cars destined for sale in europe only)

That percentage will ramp up to 100% as the years progress

I’m sure if those rules weren’t in place the line would look very different

Electric mandates are here to stay on some level. And the market will develop, too. But I’m very wary of any of these progressive mandates to actually come to 100% fruition. They’re counting on a lot of tech development. We don’t have the resources.

[Chappers 71]

It just ain’t gonna happen, the Europeans have already backtracked, just as one would expect from those Bloody Continentals & with the introduction of sustainable/carbon neutral fuel ICE will be around for a long while yet. The Germans have said that ICE engine vehicles can still be produced after the supposed all ev date of 2035, provided they can run on sustainable fuel…win win.
VW, BMW & Toyota are already investing in sustainable fuels…the future’s bright & these ev’s will turn out to be the Betamax of the automotive industry


https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/synthe...explained#gref

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by NGT2

I want to see how it does in the US when the 530 and 540 are available. And if they introduce the I6 hybrid powertrain.

Definitely. Actually, that's what I am most interested in seeing in terms of quarterly/annual sales numbers. Are customers going to prop up this design philosophy with great sales, or is BMW going to be induced to take a step back from this direction.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by NGT2

The all electrics probably are sitting around on lots. That’s still a much more niche segment than the auto makers or governments want it to be. I think they’ve all made a bad bet.

I want to see how it does in the US when the 530 and 540 are available. And if they introduce the I6 hybrid powertrain.

Same here. The body isn't going to change, but I am hoping for BMW sake, the PHEV's have a more traditional BMW interior and cockpit. Normal steering wheel, normal door handles, normal interior door open handles, etc. Buttons and knobs too. God forbid it's pretty much the "i" with an engine, it will not do well.

[HerkHealer]

Originally Posted by NGT2

Electric mandates are here to stay on some level. And the market will develop, too. But I’m very wary of any of these progressive mandates to actually come to 100% fruition. They’re counting on a lot of tech development. We don’t have the resources.

If you're talking about Lithium shortages, scientists and a mining company recently found a Massive Lithium deposit somewhere in Nevada that is easily the biggest ever found on earth.
Something to do with extinct volcano IIRC.
It's so huge they said it would last a thousand years.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by adhrp

I saw it in the flesh back in Munich when it had just launched and I didn't even like it then. Until that point, I was hopeful that I would feel differently after seeing it in person. I too think the wagon might look better, but unfortunately something we don't get in the US I believe. Not having everything touch and iPad-ish is one of the major reasons I bought the G30.

Yes, they did a great job balancing the controls in terms of buttons and touchscreen/digital equipment.

I hear you on the wagons. Wagon heaven over here, but 15 years ago when I was still in the US, I remember how hard it was to find something interesting. I briefly had an S4 wagon. Was rare as hen's teeth, but that V8 lump so far out over the front axle put me off Audis for good.

[BMW012]

Originally Posted by NGT2

The all electrics probably are sitting around on lots. That’s still a much more niche segment than the auto makers or governments want it to be. I think they’ve all made a bad bet.

I want to see how it does in the US when the 530 and 540 are available. And if they introduce the I6 hybrid powertrain.

it will do great lol. other than the .01% of us 5 series owners who are on these forums and are enthusiasts, the rest just want the newest and latest things.

teslas dont even have a dashboard for crying out loud!!!


oops, i was replying to this actually "Definitely. Actually, that's what I am most interested in seeing in terms of quarterly/annual sales numbers. Are customers going to prop up this design philosophy with great sales, or is BMW going to be induced to take a step back from this direction."

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by BMW012

it will do great lol. other than the .01% of us 5 series owners who are on these forums and are enthusiasts, the rest just want the newest and latest things.

teslas dont even have a dashboard for crying out loud!!!


oops, i was replying to this actually "Definitely. Actually, that's what I am most interested in seeing in terms of quarterly/annual sales numbers. Are customers going to prop up this design philosophy with great sales, or is BMW going to be induced to take a step back from this direction."

That was me. I think you might be right, but let's revisit this in a year 😉

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

Same here. The body isn't going to change, but I am hoping for BMW sake, the PHEV's have a more traditional BMW interior and cockpit. Normal steering wheel, normal door handles, normal interior door open handles, etc. Buttons and knobs too. God forbid it's pretty much the "i" with an engine, it will not do well.

I’m not sure of many brand new designs I’m that intrigued by. Honestly, Audi and Cadillac would be where I’d look brand new, for a 5 series comp. If you told me to just buy a new sedan, regardless of size or price, I’d look hard at an M850 GC. If I felt like it was too big, maybe a CT5. I don’t know if an RS5 would be big enough.

If we opened it up to wagons, RS6 Avant if I don’t have a budget.

I’ve never been that intrigued by Merc. I’m not sure they’ve introduced the new E class AMG yet. Do they have any V8’s these days? Maybe just the S class and GLS?

I would definitely try out a M340 but not sure it would be big enough or have the creature comforts I’d like - especially the seats.

[adhrp]

If had to buy a vehicle today instead of the G30 M550i, I would buy a Macan S promptly.

[Joe-BMW33]

Originally Posted by NGT2

I’m not sure of many brand new designs I’m that intrigued by. Honestly, Audi and Cadillac would be where I’d look brand new, for a 5 series comp. If you told me to just buy a new sedan, regardless of size or price, I’d look hard at an M850 GC. If I felt like it was too big, maybe a CT5. I don’t know if an RS5 would be big enough.

If we opened it up to wagons, RS6 Avant if I don’t have a budget.

I’ve never been that intrigued by Merc. I’m not sure they’ve introduced the new E class AMG yet. Do they have any V8’s these days? Maybe just the S class and GLS?

I would definitely try out a M340 but not sure it would be big enough or have the creature comforts I’d like - especially the seats.

Yeah, I definitely wouldn’t be considering a G60 which bums me out. I just don’t love the 8-series. I think the ass looks like a Supra and I’ve been there done that on 7-series.

Never been a Merc guy and never will. Had a few Audi’s and have considered them, but they are a notch down from BMW in just about everything (handling, power, fit, finish).

I’m also partial to German, so that pretty much leaves me looking at the Panamera. I hated the first few designs of that, specifically the bubble butt hatchback. But they have slowly made it look more 911 ish with four doors.

Thankfully, I’m not looking to replace my M550 with anything but a 22-23 M5C if one comes across my desk.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Joe-BMW33

Yeah, I definitely wouldn’t be considering a G60 which bums me out. I just don’t love the 8-series. I think the ass looks like a Supra and I’ve been there done that on 7-series.

Never been a Merc guy and never will. Had a few Audi’s and have considered them, but they are a notch down from BMW in just about everything (handling, power, fit, finish).

I’m also partial to German, so that pretty much leaves me looking at the Panamera. I hated the first few designs of that, specifically the bubble butt hatchback. But they have slowly made it look more 911 ish with four doors.

Thankfully, I’m not looking to replace my M550 with anything but a 22-23 M5C if one comes across my desk.

Yeah I forgot Porsche. I don’t know what I was thinking. With no budgetary concern, I’d try the Panamera and the M850 GC. I’ve seen some 8GC in person and I actually think I prefer it to the coupe version. The coupe version is good looking but something about its profile reminds me of a rich man’s Infiniti G coupe.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by adhrp

If had to buy a vehicle today instead of the G30 M550i, I would buy a Macan S promptly.

Yep. Forgot Porsche. I think any Porsche I’d want is so far outside my budget that I forget about them when I’m thinking about it.

The truth is that if my car got totaled or something, I’d be on a mission to find another M550. Probably another 2020.

[BMW012]

Originally Posted by NGT2

I’m not sure of many brand new designs I’m that intrigued by. Honestly, Audi and Cadillac would be where I’d look brand new, for a 5 series comp. If you told me to just buy a new sedan, regardless of size or price, I’d look hard at an M850 GC. If I felt like it was too big, maybe a CT5. I don’t know if an RS5 would be big enough.

If we opened it up to wagons, RS6 Avant if I don’t have a budget.

I’ve never been that intrigued by Merc. I’m not sure they’ve introduced the new E class AMG yet. Do they have any V8’s these days? Maybe just the S class and GLS?

I would definitely try out a M340 but not sure it would be big enough or have the creature comforts I’d like - especially the seats.

AMG GTs are nice

CLS AMGs are pretty as well. video is a 53 but there is a 63 as well.

[adhrp]

Originally Posted by NGT2

Yep. Forgot Porsche. I think any Porsche I’d want is so far outside my budget that I forget about them when I’m thinking about it.

The truth is that if my car got totaled or something, I’d be on a mission to find another M550. Probably another 2020.

For as long as I can get a G30 M550i in great shape and not too old, that's what I would do too if faced with such a situation. But if the right M550i did not exist (for example, a few years down the line), the Macan S would be my choice. The maintenance costs on Porsches scare me more than the purchase price.

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by adhrp

For as long as I can get a G30 M550i in great shape and not too old, that's what I would do too if faced with such a situation. But if the right M550i did not exist (for example, a few years down the line), the Macan S would be my choice. The maintenance costs on Porsches scare me more than the purchase price.

M550 is a much better base chassis than the Macan if you want sporty driving (nose-heavy V8 aside).

COG and polar moment will never be right on an SUV.

[G30M]

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