[Henry1518]

I ordered it without because I'd never use it, so might as well save $1050 and use it for mods.

[Remonster]

If you're tall and plan to track, autocross, etc. I recommend sitting in an M2 with a helmet on before making the decision. I bought an E92 M3 once without thinking I'd care too much that it had a moonroof only to find myself unable to drive on track because I couldn't fit in with my helmet on. I had driven several carbon fiber roof equipped E92 M3s and fit in with a helmet, no problem.

For this reason, my M2 Competition will be slicktop.

[pruettfan]

Buying a sports coupe, paying a ton of money for performance and then adding 70 plus pounds of glass and metal at the highest point of the car makes no sense to me at all. Also if you are ever going to track the car and are over about 5' 10" you will regret the loss of headroom.

[aerokubectl]

Originally Posted by pruettfan

Buying a sports coupe, paying a ton of money for performance and then adding 70 plus pounds of glass and metal at the highest point of the car makes no sense to me at all. Also if you are ever going to track the car and are over about 5' 10" you will regret the loss of headroom.

Lol sports coupe, man this isn't a Ferrari.

Most of us are going to drive this to work and back. You may want to remove those pesky rear seats, I hear they are over lbs in the wrong part of the car ruining that precious 50/50 weight distribution goal.

It just makes no sense to me why someone would buy a sports coupe with rear seats or hell even a passenger seat.

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by oshalygin

Lol sports coupe, man this isn't a Ferrari.

Most of us are going to drive this to work and back. You may want to remove those pesky rear seats, I hear they are over lbs in the wrong part of the car ruining that precious 50/50 weight distribution goal.

It just makes no sense to me why someone would buy a sports coupe with rear seats or hell even a passenger seat.

Both of you are right, but it does impact the center of gravity since it adds weight to the highest point of the car.

It's all preference though. Those that track it prefer without and those that don't prefer with it. Then there are the anomalies.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by oshalygin

Lol sports coupe, man this isn't a Ferrari.

Most of us are going to drive this to work and back. You may want to remove those pesky rear seats, I hear they are over lbs in the wrong part of the car ruining that precious 50/50 weight distribution goal.

It just makes no sense to me why someone would buy a sports coupe with rear seats or hell even a passenger seat.

What sports coup comes without a passenger seat?

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by oshalygin

Lol sports coupe, man this isn't a Ferrari.

Most of us are going to drive this to work and back. You may want to remove those pesky rear seats, I hear they are over lbs in the wrong part of the car ruining that precious 50/50 weight distribution goal.

It just makes no sense to me why someone would buy a sports coupe with rear seats or hell even a passenger seat.

To carry my track tires in the car to the track.

[aerokubectl]

Originally Posted by paliknight

Both of you are right, but it does impact the center of gravity since it adds weight to the highest point of the car.

It's all preference though. Those that track it prefer without and those that don't prefer with it. Then there are the anomalies.

Yes but he's acting like everyone will be tracking this car 24/7. I would say this car will likely NOT be tracked by most drivers. It might be taken to the track once in it's lifetime.

Just take a poll on the current M2 forums if you don't believe me

[stefan]

Don't do it. The sunroof is so small it isn't worth it. Maybe if was a little more generous then you could justify the tradeoff. You won't miss it and your helmeted head in a proper track seating position will thank you for the headroom. For those of you who don't think this matters, it does. You show up at your first autox or HPDE and get this awful sinking feeling when your head is literally on the roof in your correct seating position. You have to recline/compromise. Not as bad as it used to be in the E46 but enough that it'll bother you if you're over 5'8"

[YasF80_SLO]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Yes

Yes.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

I wouldn't spec the sunroof even if it were free.

[Yiruna]

I am undecided. Part of the reason is, I really like my sunroof. Plus I'm not going to track all the time so it's not like I'm looking for extra seconds on time.

But I do like the sleekness without one. Since I'm getting HS, having an RKP roof on it with the Contrast will be tits on glass.

On a side note, I wish I could have it painted another color. I really want Porsche Chalk on it

[Budget M3]

Checking back in here and am still kinda surprised to see that the sunroof’ed cars will be a rare breed. Almost 3:1 in favor of the slicktop tells me quite a bit about the demographics for the M2C.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by Budget M3

Checking back in here and am still kinda surprised to see that the sunroof’ed cars will be a rare breed. Almost 3:1 in favor of the slicktop tells me quite a bit about the demographics for the M2C.

What does it tell you about the Demo? A lot of racers? Tall people? Poor?

[Budget M3]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

What does it tell you about the Demo? A lot of racers? Tall people? Poor?

By definition, (t)all racers have no money, so Yes

[JWMII]

Can't own a car without one. It's just that simple for me. The Comp is not a track car for me so why on earth do I care about the few extra lbs from the glass and motor. Those items may create a balance and weight liability pushing the car to its capabilities on the track, but on spirited backroad drives, its unnoticeable. Cruising around town, the sunroof has a cool factor I love. And since I'm not a fan of convertibles, give me the moonroof.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by Budget M3

By definition, (t)all racers have no money, so Yes

Ok. But seriously. What does it tell you about the demo?

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by JWMII

Can't own a car without one. It's just that simple for me. The Comp is not a track car for me so why on earth do I care about the few extra lbs from the glass and motor. Those items may create a balance and weight liability pushing the car to its capabilities on the track, but on spirited backroad drives, its unnoticeable. Cruising around town, the sunroof has a cool factor I love. And since I'm not a fan of convertibles, give me the moonroof.

For me the weight and monetary savings are the cherries on top. I'd pass on the sunroof for the same reason I'd never buy a convertible or targa... I'd never open it. It's that easy.

I will note that I personally take issue with the approach that "you'll never feel the weight." As an avid cyclist this attitude is a totally foreign concept. I've never heard someone say that they felt the difference when riding their bike with double-butted spokes, but no serious cyclist would lace straight-gauge spokes on a high-end wheelset. I've never heard anyone claim that they feel the difference from some titanium bolt they used either, but yet again they proliferate. The idea is that the accumulation of saving a seemingly insignificant of weight in numerous places adds up to significant weight savings.

Additionally- it's a mindset. It's hard to take seriously complaints of M2C weight from anyone paying $1000 to make their car heavier by adding a sunroof.

[COChris]

I'm amazed a manual LBB/moonroof spec will be one of the more rare builds.

[qnet]

Originally Posted by Budget M3

I get the whole helmet thing if you are a tall driver. But for most of us average-height males under 6ft (I’m 5-10), I’ve never had an issue with fitting into a sunroof’ed car with my helmet on.

When the 2002 was new, the sunroof was a rare (and expense for its day) option. Now it is a sought after option on that car.

In the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s you pretty much could not buy a new BMW WITHOUT a sunroof. Now slicktop cars from those decades are more desirable.

Today the perceived performance advantage of the slicktop is all the rage. And many cars are ordered without sunroofs for all the reasons cited above. I suspect in 30years when M2C’s are the 2002tii of the 2030’s and 2040’s, the rare sunroof’ed cars will be the most collectible.

I'm not sure they will be collectibles but that would be cool. I agree about how it use to be. I've been following cars for years and don't remember this much talk about Moonroof's or hardtop's, people just got what they wanted.

I'm not surprised by the poll results. From my experience of being on this forum most members didn't want a moonroof. I'm just glade that BMW in the U.S. finally decided to add the option in 18. They have improved on it more even since I had my 16 M235i and I love it.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Budget M3

I get the whole helmet thing if you are a tall driver. But for most of us average-height males under 6ft (I’m 5-10), I’ve never had an issue with fitting into a sunroof’ed car with my helmet on.

When the 2002 was new, the sunroof was a rare (and expense for its day) option. Now it is a sought after option on that car.

In the 80’s, 90’s and 00’s you pretty much could not buy a new BMW WITHOUT a sunroof. Now slicktop cars from those decades are more desirable.

Today the perceived performance advantage of the slicktop is all the rage. And many cars are ordered without sunroofs for all the reasons cited above. I suspect in 30years when M2C’s are the 2002tii of the 2030’s and 2040’s, the rare sunroof’ed cars will be the most collectible.

I really want to get the sunroof since I use it daily on my current car. I live in the perfect climate for open air driving. I just keep thinking of 5 or 7 sacs of potatoes that weight 10 pounds strapped to the roof of my car and imagining the added centrifugal force of them during a hard sweeping corner. Of course the car suspension deals with thousands of pounds of weight so logically it shouldn't be a problem but still the image of the sacs of potatoes sticks in my head
As far as the collector part...well I'm afraid that 30 years from now I'm going to be nothing but dust so never mind on that one

[JWMII]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

For me the weight and monetary savings are the cherries on top. I'd pass on the sunroof for the same reason I'd never buy a convertible or targa... I'd never open it. It's that easy.

I will note that I personally take issue with the approach that "you'll never feel the weight." As an avid cyclist this attitude is a totally foreign concept. I've never heard someone say that they felt the difference when riding their bike with double-butted spokes, but no serious cyclist would lace straight-gauge spokes on a high-end wheelset. I've never heard anyone claim that they feel the difference from some titanium bolt they used either, but yet again they proliferate. The idea is that the accumulation of saving a seemingly insignificant of weight in numerous places adds up to significant weight savings.

Additionally- it's a mindset. It's hard to take seriously complaints of M2C weight from anyone paying $1000 to make their car heavier by adding a sunroof.

And like you, I'm also an avid cyclist (matter of fact, ridden in your neck of the woods in the GFNY in 12 &13), so your analogy hit home. But it also sounds as if you're like me along with the rest of the amateur riding community in that our rides and kit and far more capable than our legs. I have 16 Tarmac S-Works and an 11 Felt F1. Both beautiful, light and fast, like the M2 Comp; especially fitted with carbon wheels. But because I'm not paid to race my bikes and I don't have a support vehicle in tow when I train and race, I have to have my own tool kit strapped to my seat and post. Like the moonroof, the added weight of my toolkit doesn't detract from the enjoyment of rides.