[Wivenhoe]

My 530e has ID7 ‘Lite’ - it’s a post July 2019 car. Before it arrived in Nov 19 I used the VIN to obtain a Drivers Guide - it was the correct version, although misleading as it had RSU and Reverse assistant and other features which the car doesn’t have. Due to it not being the accurate version, I then downloaded a version after delivery - it’s totally the wrong version as it covers ID6 and not ID7 yet they are totally different. Really frustrating !

Has anyone else had the same problem with cars manufactured post July 19 with ID7 Lite (or known to BMW as SP15 opposed to SP18 full version) or does the guide actually cover the functions available.

Similarly, has anyone with a post July 19 car been told that this months major ID7 upgrade will definately apply to their car. The press release says it will apply to existing cars but makes reference to ‘over the air’ upgrades but of course ID7 Lite doesn’t have RSU.

If the update doesn’t apply to Lite and the Guide issue is common for all cars delivered over the last year then I will be complaining to Deutschland and asking them why they missold me a car with significant functionality missing and what they will do to rectify i.e. install the necessary equipment to convert Lite into the full version. I checked with U.K. Customer Service before ordering that ID7 would be in the car - they confirmed it would be and didn’t say it would have limited functionality. I think the original version of the Guide I had and UKCS statement proves it was intended that the car would have the full version on delivery but something happened to change this - cost saving on the necessary equipment ?

[mffarrell]

See this

Read the questions and comments which may answer some of your questions.

[Wivenhoe]

Originally Posted by mffarrell

Read the questions and comments which may answer some of your questions.

Thanks for this. He specifically says only X3 & X4 won’t be getting the update which is good news - let’s hope that is the case.

[Wivenhoe]

Originally Posted by mffarrell

Read the questions and comments which may answer some of your questions.

Thanks for this. He specifically says only X3 & X4 won’t be getting the update which is good news as he doesn’t mention existing G30’s. Let’s hope that is the case.

[mffarrell]

Originally Posted by Wivenhoe

Thanks for this. He specifically says only X3 & X4 won’t be getting the update which is good news as he doesn’t mention existing G30’s. Let’s hope that is the case.

Yes, but if you read his comments today, it’s unclear whether we will get an update from the dealer. I don’t think that we will ever get RSU.

[MrLatte]

My car (built December 2019) doesn’t appear to have remote software update in the menus.

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by mffarrell

Yes, but if you read his comments today, it’s unclear whether we will get an update from the dealer. I don’t think that we will ever get RSU.

On the other forum as user has received the update from the dealer so we know it is available. But I think you're right on the RSU while we await confirmation it is missing from the update from the user who has it.

[mffarrell]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

On the other forum as user has received the update from the dealer so we know it is available. But I think you're right on the RSU while we await confirmation it is missing from the update from the user who has it.

I asked Chris at South Shore Bmw about RSU. I am waiting to hear back from him.

[abrassington]

Did anyone with a ID7 "lite" get a RSU?

I think my car September 2019 G30 could possibly have the "lite" version (how can I check?), however im sure when I first got the car I did see the menu option for RSU but its certainly not there now. I contacted Connected drive and they told me my car would be getting the update but im not 100% trusting they know exactly what they are on about.

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by abrassington

Did anyone with a ID7 "lite" get a RSU?

I think my car September 2019 G30 could possibly have the "lite" version (how can I check?), however im sure when I first got the car I did see the menu option for RSU but its certainly not there now. I contacted Connected drive and they told me my car would be getting the update but im not 100% trusting they know exactly what they are on about.

MY2020 G30 cars are all iDrive 7 "Lite" and no one with one has received an RSU nor will they since the car lacks something to allow it to happen. BMW won't clearly say what that thing is. Just that it is "SP15" instead of "SP18". That could be one module or a whole bunch of modules. We won't know until someone experiments post warranty periods or BMW discloses.

You can get the update installed at the dealer, but you'll need to site a technical campaign otherwise they'll ask to charge.

The easiest way to know you're on an iDrive 7 "Lite" car is to look for a "Caring Car" App in the App List.

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

MY2020 G30 cars are all iDrive 7 "Lite" and no one with one has received an RSU nor will they since the car lacks something to allow it to happen. BMW won't clearly say what that thing is. Just that it is "SP15" instead of "SP18". That could be one module or a whole bunch of modules. We won't know until someone experiments post warranty periods or BMW discloses.

You can get the update installed at the dealer, but you'll need to site a technical campaign otherwise they'll ask to charge.

The easiest way to know you're on an iDrive 7 "Lite" car is to look for a "Caring Car" App in the App List.

The electrical system is completely different.

You will never get RSU on a SP15 car. This has been discussed at length

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by davidoff86

The electrical system is completely different.

You will never get RSU on a SP15 car. This has been discussed at length

I am sure RSU will never come to the MY2020 G30 as this train has been hashed out a bit on here. But the stories are never the same as to why which was my point previously. We know it won't happen, just no clarification on why.

Some posts have hinted at it being something regarding TLS/SSL certificates and chains.

Your post is mentioning electrical systems (first I've seen of this reason).

For MY2020 G30 cars what was changed and what wasn't is an unknown until someone does a tear down in the future. For instance, BMW neglected to put the valet switch in the glove box of my MY2020 car as it was thought this would be in the iDrive system. They have a campaign out to add it back whenever I make that decision to do that at a dealer. Were there any other changes? No idea.

Whatever the reason, I doubt BMW will ever add RSU to MY2020 G30s or other "SP15" cars with iDrive 7. These cars have already shipped and been replaced and they don't appear to go back and retrofit anything even if the tech is there.

Sucks for us MY2020 users who were mislead, but that ship has sailed and it is what it is. I learned my lessons regarding the brand.

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

I am sure RSU will never come to the MY2020 G30 as this train has been hashed out a bit on here. But the stories are never the same as to why which was my point previously. We know it won't happen, just no clarification on why.

Some posts have hinted at it being something regarding TLS/SSL certificates and chains.

Your post is mentioning electrical systems (first I've seen of this reason).

For MY2020 G30 cars what was changed and what wasn't is an unknown until someone does a tear down in the future. For instance, BMW neglected to put the valet switch in the glove box of my MY2020 car as it was thought this would be in the iDrive system. They have a campaign out to add it back whenever I make that decision to do that at a dealer. Were there any other changes? No idea.

Whatever the reason, I doubt BMW will ever add RSU to MY2020 G30s or other "SP15" cars with iDrive 7. These cars have already shipped and been replaced and they don't appear to go back and retrofit anything even if the tech is there.

Sucks for us MY2020 users who were mislead, but that ship has sailed and it is what it is. I learned my lessons regarding the brand.

Here you go :

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...8;d=1550722478

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by davidoff86

Here you go :

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...1&d=1550722478

I gave that quick scan and it covers the G20 X5 which is very helpful to understand what SP18 fully entails. It doesn't mention any hardware or electrical changes that are specifically needed for RSU like it does for other features like Comfort Access 2.0 which the MY2020 G30 lacks.

The gray area will still be there until we find out what iDrive 7 "Lite" really means. As it is really something akin to SP15+. As we know fully that the HU3 changes that document discusses, like the amp being removed and replaced with a RAM module as specified here for SP18 is done on these cars (the same RAM module is used for MY2020 and MY2021 G30 cars confirmed by the recent HK recall due to a faulty RAM module).

In the LCI technical document posted on the forum here BMW refers to MY2020 as the G30 "MJM" whatever that means, but it likely aligns to what I said previously. The MY2020 car is somewhere between a SP15 and SP18 car. Exactly what the full suite of differences are we likely won't know for a while.

https://g30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1364915

[ramparts]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

I gave that quick scan and it covers the G20 X5 which is very helpful to understand what SP18 fully entails. It doesn't mention any hardware or electrical changes that are specifically needed for RSU like it does for other features like Comfort Access 2.0 which the MY2020 G30 lacks.

The gray area will still be there until we find out what iDrive 7 "Lite" really means. As it is really something akin to SP15+. As we know fully that the HU3 changes that document discusses, like the amp being removed and replaced with a RAM module as specified here for SP18 is done on these cars (the same RAM module is used for MY2020 and MY2021 G30 cars confirmed by the recent HK recall due to a faulty RAM module).

In the LCI technical document posted on the forum here BMW refers to MY2020 as the G30 "MJM" whatever that means, but it likely aligns to what I said previously. The MY2020 car is somewhere between a SP15 and SP18 car. Exactly what the full suite of differences are we likely won't know for a while.

https://g30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1364915

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One of the main differences is there's 2 power supplies, to make sure there's no power loss during programming. If it died mid way, you'd have a bricked car.

There's also an updated telemetrics ECU.

Fact is, it takes less than 2 hours to update it via esys or ista, ironically less then the time it takes for the RSU cars to figure out if they need an update or not 😂

[LogicalApex]

Originally Posted by davidoff86

One of the main differences is there's 2 power supplies, to make sure there's no power loss during programming. If it died mid way, you'd have a bricked car.

There's also an updated telemetrics ECU.

Fact is, it takes less than 2 hours to update it via esys or ista, ironically less then the time it takes for the RSU cars to figure out if they need an update or not 😂

Makes sense.

As I mentioned earlier, I've come to terms with it. Originally, I was concerned I'd miss out on the Android Auto and updated Maps functionality, but I have that now. I learned a valuable lesson as I entered the brand to not trust BMW marketing at all and verify what I expect to be there on the car in person on a lot before jumping in (I had ordered and taken delivery of my MY2020 G30 before they were on dealer lots) if there are new features I'm interested in.

It soured the brand for me in many ways, but that is water under the bridge.

[LogicalApex]

Just another reminder of how much BMW screwed us over.

They added a TSB that notes that some cars with SP15 hardware actually are able to get Remote Software Update functionality where we were told (after the fact of course) that SP15 (MY2020 5-Series is SP15) cars with iDrive 7 are incapable of Remote Software Updates.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...04532-9999.pdf

[oilandgas]

If I had more time, Id reach out to an atty to see about a class action lawsuit

[mffarrell]

Originally Posted by oilandgas

If I had more time, Id reach out to an atty to see about a class action lawsuit

I am in!

[claykin]

Originally Posted by LogicalApex

Just another reminder of how much BMW screwed us over.

They added a TSB that notes that some cars with SP15 hardware actually are able to get Remote Software Update functionality where we were told (after the fact of course) that SP15 (MY2020 5-Series is SP15) cars with iDrive 7 are incapable of Remote Software Updates.

[url]https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10204532-9999.pdf

The bulletin is poorly written. G30 MY2017-2020 are all SP15A.

What the bulletin is trying to say is some SP15 cars (MY2020 only) may receive new features/feature changes with an integration level (software) upgrade.

When MY 2017-2019 receive software upgrades their software features do not change. However, starting with MY2020, BMW is allowing (some) features to upgrade/change as new software features are released.

If you re-read the bulletin you'll see it discusses programming both via RSU and ISTA. MY2020 G30 SP15 requires ISTA programming as RSU is not supported. However, starting July 2020 LCI hardware changes transitioned the G30 to SP18 which uses both ISTA and RSU to deliver software upgrades.

[zhengyijun]

Hey guys，

I'm from China. my car is 2020 X3 30i.

I and many other car owners met the same issue. We call it iDrive 6.5（without RSU and some voice control functions）not the real iDrive 7.
BMW China also has no response for this

[my5401]

Sorry for the long post but I'm trying to sort out what should be a simple topic. I don't have the ability to post a question yet.

I have a 2020 540i x-Drive and took delivery in May 2020.
The production date i: 2020-03-11
Per bimmertech BMWVINDECODER I have the following:

head_unit HU_MGU
I-Level(current) S15A-21-11-535
I-Level(factory) S15A-20-03-524


This is the third BMW 5 series I've had in the last 7 years.
I thought I'd take a look at what software version I have on the headunit and the fun began. This used to be an easy process with an easy to decode result. BTW the software was just updated by the dealer when I took it in for the brake recall issue.

This time when I did some searching for finding the software version on my model, 99% of the responses all utilize the Automatic Software Update software to query the software version number. After doing some reading on this site I understand that I am out of luck. Something to do with a pre-July 2020 build. Ok.

What I did find was when I went to the following menu pick: "Car>Settings>General Settings" there was no field that indicated the software version (and no Automatic Update selection as was mentioned in multiple websites.).
Ok.
Next I went to "Nav>Settings>Update" I found the following:
"Map version:
Road Map NORTH AMERICAN Live
2019-3
111031913.3.03, K18_21w40.3-1
IL, IN, MI, WI, 2022-1"

I saw one other post in this forum that showed a similar response.

I can understand most of the response in terms of what maps have been updated.

What I can't decode out of the response what headunit or idrive version I have. (The NBT responses as seem to have NBT mentioned in the software version but in my caset there's no mention MBU in the display")

Can someone help me sort this out?
Am I looking at the correct location to obtain the software version on the headunit?
Is there another location I should be looking at?
Thanks in advance.