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Well you can do that too if you are married...you just either need a very understanding wife, or own a company like, say...Amazon.
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Manual transmissions used to offer superior performance compared to an automatic. Obviously, that is no longer the case with advancements in technology.
Now, manual transmissions mainly offer a physical/emotional connection to a car. A few brands like Porsche and to a lesser extent bmw have recognized this and continue to offer the choice to the "purists". However, cars in general are becoming more numb and clinical and the obsession with speed and lap times is permeating the industry whereby this takes precedence over driver enjoyment. |
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I work with computers for a living. Why the heck would I want to drive one? This is one reason why I still have a weekend race car in my collection with a 4-speed manual, carburetor, and breaker point ignition.....
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One thing I notice in this thread, and others I have seen, is that most of the folks who say how much they love the manuals (and I am sure they do) are driving old cars. That is great BUT that means they are not buying new cars. So if a significant chunk of the enthusiast market is not purchasing new cars, and the segment itself is small, that can explain why car makers are no longer offering manuals -- not enough buyers.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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But can you do it in reverse?
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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Good points from many of course. To add to it, I just don't think parents have been teaching their kids to drive manuals. When I was 15, my dad forced me to learn to drive on a manual first. Gave me the whole "if you're ever in an emergency and all that's available is a stick" story. I haven't looked back since, learning to drive on a manual they are the only types of cars I've owned over 28 years of driving. I hate all autos with a passion.
It's pretty eye opening how many younger people have no idea how to drive a manual. When I valet my car at various places, it's almost guaranteed the valets have to search for one of their own who can drive a manual. To me that's insane, how can you be a valet and not drive a manual?!? How could you possibly be OK'd for that job if you're unable to drive one? To me, that's a very clear indication on just how rare manuals are becoming. If BMW ceases to make manuals, the M4 will be my last one. If everybody ditches them I'll either wind up driving older cars until my time's up, or perhaps capitulate and get a Corvette C8 without a stick (but even that would be an extremely hard sell for me, hopefully they'll make a stick in the coming years for the C8!). |
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Yes I noticed it too, they keep the KungFu grip on old classy cars because a good amount of them are old farts with cash! and have a mix (car collection) and some newer daily's I'm shopping for a car cover debating is the best worth a couple hundred more?!? $300-$500 some on here are installing custom hydraulic lifts to change the oil because it's FUN, Most car guys buy a mix of latest and classic, they don't just have 1 I was about to spend $50k on a mint 02 M3 after wifey laughs I just got the M2 to me it's a new old m3 if that makes sense? happy with my choice and I got warranty! Sorry to all the old farts, my apologies in advance! now get ready for dinner @ IHOP 4pm |
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Sooner or later the beloved manual will only be found in the museums.
The EPA has been setting fuel and emission standards and the path of the manufactures are using computers. With the computers in full control of the engine performance and the trans shifting when THEY feel it should, MPG's have improved to their liking. The invention of the flippers on the steering is their best attempt to manual shifting. I'm knocking the age of 70 and have had one hell of a time traveling this world. But soon, the world of driving will be over. Fully computerized cars, (no manual anything) and .. IF .. you are lucky, you MIGHT be able to own a car that will let YOU physically drive .. sometime .. or a small portion of the trip, but that too will end. |
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Mopar discontinued the G56 6-speed manual option on the HD Ram/Cummins pickups starting in model year 2019, and that was supposedly the last big pickup with a manual transmission. I might have considered dropping the equivalent of another house mortgage to upgrade my current Ram/Cummins in a few years, but a slushbox is a deal-breaker to me.....
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I used to prefer manual as well, and have had manual in most of my cars. But now modern autos (like the ZF in the BMWs) have gotten so good, that they shift almost perfectly even during active driving, and if you insist on doing it yourself the paddle shifters work perfectly fine too.
So 99% of the time, a good auto is just ..better.
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Nah, the self driving car stuff is decades away if ever. I'd be amazed if we saw it adopted on a large scale in any of our lifetimes. It's doable in cities with well defined grids and low speed limits, but they're light years away from going 100% autonomous everywhere.
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These are how people drive nowadays, they're not gonna even try to add operating a manual to the mix
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