[rwheels]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

I can arrange it. I'll get you the wheelchair. And put your wandering hands in handcuffs. And I will be confiscating that little key on your keyring. I know you have one. He he he...

You mean, like this?.

[Noneya]

Originally Posted by flybigjet

For frell's sake.....

CONTEXT.

People need to learn to apply it.

Were Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, *insert name here*, etc. racist?

The answer is "probably to undoubtedly"...... IF you judge by 21st century mores.

However..... FOR THEIR DAY AND AGE..... they were extremely enlightened individuals in comparison to their contemporaries.

I'm so, so, SO sick of people using the lens of their beliefs of today to judge people in the past.

It's all about the context. Would Lincoln be considered racist today? yes. Would Lincoln be considered racist in the 1860's? He would (and was) judged to be a progressive and thought that slavery was abhorrent enough to risk the fate of the entire Union on that belief.

He was also a realist to know how far he could successfully push, and at what point he'd lose the backing of the public/Congress/financiers, etc. who's support he needed to achieve his vision of freeing the slaves.

He knew he could only push so far, and had to compromise on a lot of things he probably didn't want to in order to be successful in his quest.

But, let's cancel and denigrate him because he wasn't "woke" enough from a 21st century perspective and offends 21'st century sensibilities, ok?

Context. It's what history is made of.

Sheesh.

R.

I agree with a lot of what you wrote, however there is nothing wrong with pointing out that together with the enlightened attitudes they were also *insert bad quality*. You can still celebrate the good things they did while frowning upon the bad.

A lot of the people decrying "cancel culture" are in fact the ones that want to sweep the bad stuff under the rug and "erase history".

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Noneya

A lot of the people decrying "cancel culture" are in fact the ones that want to sweep the bad stuff under the rug and "erase history".

Are those the same people taking down statues of historical figures / renaming schools because they find them offensive? Methinks not - I wonder who is erasing history here...

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

C'mon, I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way
~ Jessica Rabbit.

Loved that movie and loved Jessica Rabbit. She was one sexy cartoon. And with the voice of Kathleen Turner, you can't go wrong.

[Noneya]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

Are those the same people taking down statues of historical figures / renaming schools because they find them offensive? Methinks not - I wonder who is erasing history here...

I assumed this was obvious, but apparently not - statues are not history (except in the sense that the statues themselves are historical objects). They are symbols that the state erects to represent something. When those symbols stop representing the original meaning or when we don't want to represent said meaning any longer, it's sensible to take them down (and store in a museum if they indeed have historical value).

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Noneya

I assumed this was obvious, but apparently not - statues are not history (except in the sense that the statues themselves are historical objects). They are symbols that the state erects to represent something. When those symbols stop representing the original meaning, it's sensible to take them down (and store in a museum if they indeed have historical value).

They are historical objects that remind us of history, the past, and that individual and their actions. So yes, they are arguably history.

What meaning have you ascribed to the statues that have been taken down, such that you would argue they have "stopped representing the original meaning"?

I don't buy it. I think you just dislike that your side is wrong in their actions and are trying to justify it.

[TiMSport]

Time out fellas. I'm sensing the original theme of this thread is going sideways maybe? Do we really want the mods to step in and "cancel" THIS?

[Noneya]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

They are historical objects that remind us of history, the past, and that individual and their actions. So yes, they are arguably history.

What meaning have you ascribed to the statues that have been taken down, such that you would argue they have "stopped representing the original meaning"?

I don't buy it. I think you just dislike that your side is wrong in their actions and are trying to justify it.

The Germans should've kept all of the Hitler statues and the Soviets the Stalin and Lenin statues, right? Otherwise how will we remember? And can you believe we let the Iraqis take down Saddam statues?

Confederate statues have been taken down, because they were erected for racist reasons and represented racism. Columbus statues were taken down because we used to think that colonialism is awesome and Columbus was the ultimate representation of that, and we don't think that anymore. Etcetera.

[DETRoadster]

I apologize for my misguided role in getting this train off the tracks. Can we get back to funny memes? Seriously folks, DM each other if you want to continue the dialog.

[kscarrol]

Yes, take the discussion elsewhere, doesn't belong here!!!

[DETRoadster]

[DETRoadster]

[KRS_SN]

While pushing his trolley around the airport a middle aged man collides with a young Swede pushing his cart.

The man said to the young guy, "Sorry but I'm looking for my wife and I guess I wasn't careful where I was going."

The young guy says, "That's OK.. .. It's a coincidence. I'm looking for my wife, too. I can't find her and I'm getting a little desperate".

The man said, "Well, maybe we can help each other. What does your wife look like?"

The young guy says, "Well, she is 24 years old, tall, with blonde hair, big blue eyes, long legs, and she's wearing tight white shorts and a
low cut see through top. What does your wife look like?"

The man said, "Doesn't matter --- let's look for yours."

[FizzyElf]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

Me thinks Lady Jane is a dominatrix when she's not nursing...

Sticks and stones may break my bones...

[FizzyElf]

[FizzyElf]

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

Me thinks Lady Jane is a dominatrix when she's not nursing...

Attachment 2543670I'm sweet and innocent. Until the Irish comes out. Attachment 2543670

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by rwheels

You mean, like this?.

If I rode a Harley, it might be considered appropriate apparel.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by rwheels

You mean, like this?.

If he has nasal polyps then putting up with that well.

[Murf993]

Originally Posted by FizzyElf

Sticks and stones may break my bones...

But whips and chains excite me.

[FizzyElf]

[FizzyElf]

Originally Posted by Murf993

But whips and chains excite me.

So tie me up, throw me down and show me that you like me.