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      02-14-2020, 04:57 PM   #331
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The sky is falling! We're all gonna die!
Well no, not exactly. I don't think anybody here belives that the end is nigh. That does not mean however that we should not take this very seriously.

There is no sign of containment whatsoever. I hope I'm wrong, but this will likely become a pandemic.

We're dealing with a virus that is resillient and people that catch it tend to be asymptomatic for up to multiple weeks. Yet they can still infect others.

It may not have black plague death levels, but it doesn't have to. If you and others around you get it and all of you end up bedridden for 2-4 weeks, that's going to have a huge impact. Imagine half of NYC being in lockdown because of this virus.

I'm not even factoring in cases of people ending up in hospitals with severe pneumonia or other complications.

If you have access to proper medical facilities, this virus is normally not going to kill you. When those facilities become overwhelmed (e.g. China), better be ready to start counting bodies.

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      02-14-2020, 05:26 PM   #332
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I'm not even factoring in cases of people ending up in hospitals with severe pneumonia or other complications.
That is already being factored as most actually die of pneumonia just like the flu.

And remember the death rate of 2% is in a thirld world country-China. That won't happen in the U.S. And with warm weather coming on things will improve. It is likely that a trial vaccine will be available in 3 months

The time between getting the vaccine and symptons is not "multiple weeks" its 2 max.

It is though likely that this will likely decimate China simply bc their medical capabilities ate truly 3rd world and they kept it hidden. SK has 19 cases (at least) you know NK has some. This could topple NK.

Some people are panacking bc thats what the news media wants...viewers.
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That is already being factored as most actually die of pneumonia just like the flu.
Yeah and pneumonia can be treated, provided medical facilities are available. And even then you're not guaranteed to survive, your chances just increase drastically.

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And remember the death rate of 2% is in a thirld world country-China.
China is not a third world country. Especially larger cities have decent medical facilities. Not US/European-level facilities, but decent nonetheless. The countryside is a different story and is basically third world, yes.

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That won't happen in the U.S.
Until it does. Singepore is a developed country and they already experienced local food shortages. Noone is immune from this.

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And with warm weather coming on things will improve.
And that is definitely good news, yes!

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It is likely that a trial vaccine will be available in 3 months
It's not as simple as you make it out to be. The problem with untested vaccines (3 months is not nearly enough) is that it may have far worse unintended side affects.

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The time between getting the vaccine and symptons is not "multiple weeks" its 2 max.
I'm assuming you meant to say virus instead of vaccine? I would have to look it up, but as far as I know the initial estimate of 2 weeks was incorrect and it's more likely to be up to 3 weeks. Not that it matters much though, 2 or 3 weeks are both pretty damn bad for containment purposes.

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It is though likely that this will likely decimate China simply bc their medical capabilities ate truly 3rd world and they kept it hidden. SK has 19 cases (at least) you know NK has some. This could topple NK.
It's not their medical apparatus that's the problem. Centralized government control and socialism is the problem.

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Some people are panacking bc thats what the news media wants...viewers.
I don't think a lot of people are necessarily panicking. I'm not. I'm not going to go out and buy myself a hazmat suit
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      02-14-2020, 06:00 PM   #334
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Yeah and pneumonia can be treated, provided medical facilities are available. And even then you're not guaranteed to survive, your chances just increase drastically.
Well we do have the good facilities. And don't forget many elderly folks (including me) get pneumonia vaccines which cover many (not all pneumonia strains.


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China is not a third world country. Especially larger cities have decent medical facilities. Not US/European-level facilities, but decent nonetheless. The countryside is a different story and is basically third world, yes.
As far as medical facilities compared to us they are thirld world IMHO. Within 200 miles of my house there are20+ medicical facilities that are likely better than the best that china can offer.

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Until it does. Singepore is a developed country and they already experienced local food shortages. Noone is immune from this.
True but again they don't compare to us.

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And that is definitely good news, yes!




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It's not as simple as you make it out to be. The problem with untested vaccines (3 months is not nearly enough) is that it may have far worse unintended side affects.
True but by next fall there will likely be one. Of course mutations don't guarantee it. (I agree with you)


[quote]I'm assuming you meant to say virus instead of vaccine? I would have to look it up, but as far as I know the initial estimate of 2 weeks was incorrect and it's more likely to be up to 3 weeks. Not that it matters much though, 2 or 3 weeks are both pretty damn bad for containment purposes.[//quote]
Yea sorry True about even 2 weeks.


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It's not their medical apparatus that's the problem. Centralized government control and socialism is the problem.

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I don't think a lot of people are necessarily panicking. I'm not. I'm not going to go out and buy myself a hazmat suit
lol-agree. Me neither.
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      02-15-2020, 02:25 PM   #335
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Wow, the good news keeps pouring in.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197
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Reports today that Coronavirus cases jumped 30% onboard the "Diamond Princess" cruise ship while it still sits in Quarantine. 285 people are now infected, with 67 new cases being reported on Saturday. I imagine many of these people have been infected for some time and are just now showing the symptoms. It must be scary as hell for the people stuck on that ship.
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It must be scary as hell for the people stuck on that ship.
Nah-- It's all good.

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It must be scary as hell for the people stuck on that ship.
Nah-- It's all good.

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Wow, the good news keeps pouring in.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197
Sounds like the second hand overheard phone conversation Trump hac with the Ukraine guy.
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      02-15-2020, 10:18 PM   #340
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Just making an observation, I don't believe this illness will break come summer since tropical nation has already confirm cases such as Vietnam (tropical) and Australia (summer down there)
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Bill Gates must think it's just the flu too.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...virus-spreads/
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Still just the flu.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aboratory.html
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Pretty damn scary shit... You guys need to check out this YT channel... "Last Messages"... Watch it before YT deletes these videos. Some already have been deleted.




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I wonder if all the Dems hate Trump for Initiating a Ban weeks ago on anyone coming from mainland China. No one will give Trump credit but he nay have singlehandedly Saved this country..considering 20,000 people per day come from mainland china!!!!.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6132993983001#sp=show-clips
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14 of the 300 american from the diamond princess tested postive on there return trip. None are critical luckily
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aboratory.html

While this hypothesis is considered far-fetched, the spread and fatal results so far suggest this ain't no regular virus.
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I wonder if all the Dems hate Trump for Initiating a Ban weeks ago on anyone coming from mainland China. No one will give Trump credit but he nay have singlehandedly Saved this country..considering 20,000 people per day come from mainland china!!!!.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6132993983001#sp=show-clips
Damn! Even FDR didn't do that........
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Pretty damn scary shit... You guys need to check out this YT channel... "Last Messages"... Watch it before YT deletes these videos. Some already have been deleted.
Scary videos for sure.

I guess it's against the law to be out without a mask? Even though these basic masks don't guard against this particular infection?
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40+ American's infected on the cruise ship.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony...Em0yOgijuVwk6Y
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Scary videos for sure.

I guess it's against the law to be out without a mask? Even though these basic masks don't guard against this particular infection?
Yes. This poor lady(in the silver downed jacket) was dragged out of her car and looks to me like the police snapped her neck(dead). Pretty brutal. Her friends in the car just looked out in bewilderment.

skip to 12:09... for some reason I can't post a direct time link stamp. ?



The fumigation is unreal too...
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40+ American's infected on the cruise ship.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony...Em0yOgijuVwk6Y

And they all will be in the USA shortly... with only a 14 day quarantine. Some experts say the virus can take up to 30 days before symptoms show.

Two planes took off from Haneda Airport [Tokyo] following a five and a half hour bus journey, that "should have taken 20 minutes from the 'Diamond Princess,'" according to evacuated passenger Spencer Fehrenbacher.

Total number of confirmed cases on the 'Diamond Princess' cruise ship hit 454.




passenger Spencer Fehrenbacher, four days ago...




and the latest video from Last Messages, just hours old...
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