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      05-23-2018, 05:07 PM   #45
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]I am always for respecting it. And I always do.[/B] It’s a SIGN of respect. I don’t need to stand in my living room to signify my respect, there is nobody to signify it to. If you want to though, I think it’s great. It’s called being civilized and brought up right. Wear collared shirt to dinner. Call your elders man and sir. Say please and thank you. Wearing clean clothes is a sign of respect and adherence to a dignified society. I might hang around half the day in my underwear when at home on the weekend, not going to go out to a steakhouse in my underwear.


if you arent standing for attention and singing, are you really respecting it? I guess if you sit up, put the beer and nachos down, and pay attention you can call that respecting it if you want?
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if you arent standing for attention and singing, are you really respecting it? I guess if you sit up, put the beer and nachos down, and pay attention you can call that respecting it if you want?
I sometimes put the beer down. And to answer your question, yes. I知 really respecting it (what the anthem represents). But to tell you the truth, sometimes.... if the person singing is having a real real hard time, I値l change the channel or mute it because I feel sorry for them.
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Lots of hypocrisy...

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.

- The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
- The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.


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Absolutely. Just as if I happen to be walking outside at 0800 when colors are played either at the school across the street or the military base a bit further down the block (I'm still not sure which) I stop and stand at attention.

And no, it's not because I served. Unfortunately, I was "blessed" with insulin-dependent diabetes at a young age and was unable to serve.
You, probably MK and a couple others I believe do this, but very few others.
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You, probably MK and a couple others I believe do this, but very few others.
Minn. Do you stand and lose the hat, if you have one on, at live events playing the anthem?
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Minn. Do you stand and lose the hat, if you have one on, at live events playing the anthem?
Yes.
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Yes.
Why?
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Why?
A variety of reasons, upbringing (Grandpa, Dad other relatives that are war vets), I myself took the oath when I went into the Guard. Social pressure, genuine respect and hope that one day the ideals the flag represents will actually be true for the US.

Also, I rarely go to live events anymore except for Wild games (NHL, just in case you didn’t know) and they have a great tradition of bringing veterans to the games/giving them a great night out. I’m not sure if I’m standing for the other reasons more or for that person and what they and their fellow soldiers went through and are probably still going through.
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A variety of reasons, upbringing (Grandpa, Dad other relatives that are war vets), I myself took the oath when I went into the Guard. Social pressure, genuine respect and hope that one day the ideals the flag represents will actually be true for the US.

Also, I rarely go to live events anymore except for Wild games (NHL, just in case you didn稚 know) and they have a great tradition of bringing veterans to the games/giving them a great night out. I知 not sure if I知 standing for the other reasons more or for that person and what they and their fellow soldiers went through and are probably still going through.
Thank you for answering. I知 presuming (assuming?) you don稚 stand at attention at home. So you can稚 have genuine respect, according to you. Or do you?
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Thank you for answering. I知 presuming (assuming?) you don稚 stand at attention at home. So you can稚 have genuine respect, according to you. Or do you?
I知 also not demanding others do whatever in reference to the subject and complained enough to get a sports league to change its policy. I think if you are going to criticize others in how they go about respecting certain things they should be held to a higher standard.
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I知 also not demanding others do whatever in reference to the subject and complained enough to get a sports league to change its policy. I think if you are going to criticize others in how they go about respecting certain things they should be held to a higher standard.
I知 not complaining. They can kneel till the cows come home. I値l be impressed if they stick to their principles actually.
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I知 not complaining. They can kneel till the cows come home. I値l be impressed if they stick to their principles actually.
And I知 not trying to single you out, just more of a general conversation towards the subject as a whole.
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Let’s not kid ourselves into thinking the NFL gives a shit about either patriotism, constitutional rights, or your opinion. And this applies to both sides of the argument, standing or kneeling. They care about money.

This policy was purely the closest they can get the middle ground while pissing off the least amount of people. This includes sponsors such as the pentagon. Those military flights and colors on the field? Let’s not forget the military spends millions of dollars for the “privilege” of attending. Just something to think about next time your team “gives back to the local military community”. Like I said, the NFL cares about money. Everything else is secondary.
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Ahhhhh, the NFL ... the United States' own version of communism and gov't handouts. For some reason the right-wingers love to defend it.
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Ahhhhh, the NFL ... the United States' own version of communism and gov't handouts. For some reason the right-wingers love to defend it.
Ok fair enough.
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Who gives a shite
^This, but you hardcore righties claim to want freedom and uphold the constitution yada yada yada, but you are ok with denying about the most basic one to these players because you don't like it? Very interesting.
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Let's not kid ourselves into thinking the NFL gives a shit about either patriotism, constitutional rights, or your opinion. And this applies to both sides of the argument, standing or kneeling. They care about money.

This policy was purely the closest they can get the middle ground while pissing off the least amount of people. This includes sponsors such as the pentagon. Those military flights and colors on the field? Let's not forget the military spends millions of dollars for the "privilege" of attending. Just something to think about next time your team "gives back to the local military community". Like I said, the NFL cares about money. Everything else is secondary.
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I know, it was covered in other posts.
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How about the US govt stop paying for displays during NFL games while we're at it. If the owners want the military displays they should pay for it.
I attended my first NASCAR race last year. The event was at the Texas Motor Speedway near Ft. Worth. Just before the races started there was a military jet formation fly by. It was loud and beautiful. It made me proud to be an American.

As with all of our military personnel, those pilots must continually train to stay proficient. So, call it a training mission. Call it a momentary diversion from a training mission. Call it a dedicated fly-by. All the same. Money well spent.
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I attended my first NASCAR race last year. The event was at the Texas Motor Speedway near Ft. Worth. Just before the races started there was a military jet formation fly by. It was loud and beautiful. It made me proud to be an American.

As with all of our military personnel, those pilots must continually train to stay proficient. So, call it a training mission. Call it a momentary diversion from a training mission. Call it a dedicated fly-by. All the same. Money well spent.
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The NFL fears two things and it's what has driven this redicolus policy:

1) Lost revenue. The NFL is sinking.

2) They fear Trump's wrath.
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I attended my first NASCAR race last year. The event was at the Texas Motor Speedway near Ft. Worth. Just before the races started there was a military jet formation fly by. It was loud and beautiful. It made me proud to be an American.

As with all of our military personnel, those pilots must continually train to stay proficient. So, call it a training mission. Call it a momentary diversion from a training mission. Call it a dedicated fly-by. All the same. Money well spent.
Proud to be an American because of a flyby. WOW.
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