[ZigmundUK]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

True, but like cell phone's most people figure out where to charge, but when you have 300 miles per charge, it will not be like it is now. Then people will buy 100% Electric over the [ICE] Internal Combustion Engine version.

Depends where people live and what they need it for. 300 miles (advertised) will equate to more like 250 in real life and therefore not enough for a drive to my parents' house. They need to get up to the 400s and also get car chargers everywhere before it takes on more.

Unfortunately people's obsession with electric is probably stalling other cleaner technologies being developed more quickly.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by ZigmundUK

Depends where people live and what they need it for. 300 miles (advertised) will equate to more like 250 in real life and therefore not enough for a drive to my parents' house. They need to get up to the 400s and also get car chargers everywhere before it takes on more.

Unfortunately people's obsession with electric is probably stalling other cleaner technologies being developed more quickly.

You are not sold but surely telling yourself and others some stories regardless

One car can be all Electric

Car two can be PHEV

Not a problem

[w4termelon]

Can you tell me which country can produce enough electricity to have 100% electric car ? I mean, even here in France where we have a lot of nuclear power plant, we can't produce enough when high peak energy demand arise in winter..

And also, what will you do to recycle dead batteries at a large scale, as they are designed to produce max power only during around few hundred charge cycle ??
I find it fun to see that many ppl believes that full electric cars are green..

[ZigmundUK]

Originally Posted by w4termelon

Can you tell me which country can produce enough electricity to have 100% electric car ? I mean, even here in France where we have a lot of nuclear power plant, we can't produce enough when high peak energy demand arise in winter..

And also, what will you do to recycle dead batteries at a large scale, as they are designed to produce max power only during around few hundred charge cycle ??
I find it fun to see that many ppl believes that full electric cars are green..

Also been widely acknowledged that it is better for environment to keep existing cars going a bit longer than to buy any new car - electric or otherwise.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by w4termelon

Can you tell me which country can produce enough electricity to have 100% electric car ? I mean, even here in France where we have a lot of nuclear power plant, we can't produce enough when high peak energy demand arise in winter..

And also, what will you do to recycle dead batteries at a large scale, as they are designed to produce max power only during around few hundred charge cycle ??
I find it fun to see that many ppl believes that full electric cars are green..

You just keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Enjoy buying all that petrol !!

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by ZigmundUK

Also been widely acknowledged that it is better for environment to keep existing cars going a bit longer than to buy any new car - electric or otherwise.

Cars do not last forever. LOL

Keep buying Petrol and keep trolling !

[ZigmundUK]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Cars do not last forever. LOL

Keep buying Petrol and keep trolling !

I was being factual actually - not interested in fruitless namecalling.

For people who genuinely want better for the environment there are a million other things to do first. But the car manufacturers and big business and politicians have agendas and have the lay public sold on these soundbytes...

But hey ho. Enjoy electric cars or other cars. Personally I'm looking forward to beyond electric - like hydrogen but I fear the intervening tech being pushed will delay better tech and infrastructure coming around.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by ZigmundUK

I was being factual actually - not interested in fruitless namecalling.

For people who genuinely want better for the environment there are a million other things to do first. But the car manufacturers and big business and politicians have agendas and have the lay public sold on these soundbytes...

But hey ho. Enjoy electric cars or other cars. Personally I'm looking forward to beyond electric - like hydrogen but I fear the intervening tech being pushed will delay better tech and infrastructure coming around.

Fool Cell

[JMD]

Originally Posted by Mr.skytech

Will it harm an animal if they get in between? Ex: Cat, possum, snake; depending where u live, raccoon.

...Np with "snakes" getting "warm"!

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by ZigmundUK

I was being factual actually - not interested in fruitless namecalling.

For people who genuinely want better for the environment there are a million other things to do first. But the car manufacturers and big business and politicians have agendas and have the lay public sold on these soundbytes...

But hey ho. Enjoy electric cars or other cars. Personally I'm looking forward to beyond electric - like hydrogen but I fear the intervening tech being pushed will delay better tech and infrastructure coming around.

Actually there is a huge demand for end of life cycle EV batteries which still are leaps and bounds better than lead acid batteries for home solar back up storage systems. Heck, even utility companies are buying up new battery back up systems.

Additionally hydrogen is very inefficient when you consider how much power it takes to produce, compress, or transport it.

[ZigmundUK]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Actually there is a huge demand for end of life cycle EV batteries which still are leaps and bounds better than lead acid batteries for home solar back up storage systems. Heck, even utility companies are buying up new battery back up systems.

Additionally hydrogen is very inefficient when you consider how much power it takes to produce, compress, or transport it.

Good points.

There will be challenges with any new tech...

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by ZigmundUK

Good points.

There will be challenges with any new tech...

In the case of reformulating natural gas to hydrogen, they said it would be more efficient for a car to just burn straight natural gas to begin with and bypass all the conversion losses:

www.greencarreports.com/news/1110239_energy-use-for-hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles-higher-than-electrics-even-hybrids-analysis

[ted99]

My i3 is terific for all my grocery/dinner/errand running and it costs me $10/mos in electric. Also, I feel absolutely no qualms about short trips being bad for the power train. My F10 is used for trips outside the beltway and it'll be replaced with a new 530e as soon as the wireless charging is available. From experience, I know that a low range plug-in will be on battery power until I get on the highway, and then the 2.0l will cut in, for a very high combined MPG. But, it has to be charged every time it's in the garage and wireless charging will be just the ticket to do this painlessly.

[ron_jeremy]

The inductive charging shown with the 530e, is that coming to the i3 LCI and other BMW hybrids as well?
I really like it, gives a decent amount of power, and this is only the first generation.
Wonder how the price will be, the wall boxes are already ancient.

[w4termelon]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Cars do not last forever. LOL

Keep buying Petrol and keep trolling !

I'm just saying electric car is no way a replacement to petrol for many reason, the one I mentionned is just one of the biggest problem that will happen if you think we can replace petrol by electric car at a large scale.

Thinking electric is the ONLY way to go is just a big mistake and prevent innovation because the whole industry is focusing their efforts in the wrong direction.
20 years ago, industry and European goverments told us that CO2 has to be reduced from our cars, which led us to hugely invest in diesel because they produce less CO2 than petrol. But now we "discover" that Nox is even worse than CO2, and Diesel engines are now the target of taxes..
Today, we all believe that electric or hybrid is our future, because it has "zero" emission, but how do you produce electricity ?? How do you recycle LiIon or LiPo batteries ? Where will you store dead batteries ??
If we want to move forward, then move to the right direction...

[Rapcat]

Originally Posted by DRTMGRT

I like how this is debuted for the 530e and not with the i3 or i8.

It's only a 9.2kwh battery. A lot smaller than the i3 and for the i8, well it would be too expensive to reconfigure the charging system. This car was engineered long after the i Cars.

[remmib]

Originally Posted by Rapcat

It's only a 9.2kwh battery. A lot smaller than the i3 and for the i8, well it would be too expensive to reconfigure the charging system. This car was engineered long after the i Cars.

Actually bigger than the battery in the i8.

[JCFans01]

The technology is simply not there. My sister has the Tesla S and it has a range of almost 300 miles at full charge. But during highway driving when you cruise at 80-85mph this becomes 200 miles. And in the subzero temperature of winter, this range is pretty much halved to 100 miles. And then if you turn on the heater and other amenities, the range will further decrease.

A full electric car is just not for me at this moment in time. Maybe if you have multiple vehicles and the full electric car is just a daily commute driver and not a long-range cruiser.

[ted99]

I have seen one comment that the "receiver induction coil" would be standard equipment on the 530e at some point in the 2018-model production (possibly as soon as production resumes after the Aug shutdown) and the extra purchase would be the floor-mounted charging plate. Would be nice, but seems awfully generous of BMW. Does anyone have any more info on the availability of the wireless charging of the 530e and whether it will be extended to 330e, X5-40e, and future X3e?

[BobRBob]

The new crop of electric cars are miles ahead of just a few years ago but I'm still skeptical because the industry has yet to produce an electric vehicle that can be sold for more than it costs to build. Without government support electric cars would be unaffordable and quickly forgotten. I am aware of no successful product category spawned by government vs private investment in the way the electric car has been. It's a creature of politics, not the free market.

[immx]

I'd love to know what BMW are planning on charging for this.

There is a company that has a similar system for the i3, model s etc but they charge $3500 for it!