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      10-14-2019, 12:56 PM   #1
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Biden Family Corruption and Crony Capitalism

Where should we begin?

James Biden receives a $1.5 Billion dollar construction contract in the middle east. This occurred under the Obama administration. A story in 2012:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/1...head-of-debate

Hunter Biden has a board seat on Bursima board as well as has a capital injection of 1.5 billion dollars from the Chinese. Both are areas in which his father, former VP Joe Biden has significant influence.

One may search for the stories on this themselves.

Here is my question? Is the Biden Family Corrupt and selling/benefitting from government influence?
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Mr. Biden warns his fellow panelists in the debates not to attack his family or bring up the controversy during the debates.

Really?
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They are for sure corrupt, but is that any different than the rest of the politicians of that caliber?

I wasn't planning on voting for him either way, but if I were fine with his policies, I don't beleive the corrupt part would have swayed my vote away.
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They are for sure corrupt, but is that any different than the rest of the politicians of that caliber?

I wasn't planning on voting for him either way, but if I were fine with his policies, I don't beleive the corrupt part would have swayed my vote away.
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Where should we begin?

James Biden receives a $1.5 Billion dollar construction contract in the middle east. This occurred under the Obama administration. A story in 2012:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/1...head-of-debate

Hunter Biden has a board seat on Bursima board as well as has a capital injection of 1.5 billion dollars from the Chinese. Both are areas in which his father, former VP Joe Biden has significant influence.

One may search for the stories on this themselves.

Here is my question? Is the Biden Family Corrupt and selling/benefitting from government influence?
Why is it labeled as an opinion piece?
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They are for sure corrupt, but is that any different than the rest of the politicians of that caliber?
I've a few friends from Nigeria who have made the same type of comments.
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Sadly, finding a politician who isn't corrupt is like finding a needle in a haystack, floating in outer space, on a flying pig.
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Where should we begin?

James Biden receives a $1.5 Billion dollar construction contract in the middle east. This occurred under the Obama administration. A story in 2012:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/1...head-of-debate

Hunter Biden has a board seat on Bursima board as well as has a capital injection of 1.5 billion dollars from the Chinese. Both are areas in which his father, former VP Joe Biden has significant influence.

One may search for the stories on this themselves.

Here is my question? Is the Biden Family Corrupt and selling/benefitting from government influence?
Benefiting from the name and perceived prestige associated with it? Sure.

Selling .gov influence? Show me.

When GWB put Hunter on the Board of AMTRAK, was he buying .gov influence?

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Why is it labeled as an opinion piece?
Because it contains (some) level of opinion. The main points seem factual based on some quick googling:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...ies-that-biden

https://www.arabianbusiness.com/us-c...nt-540113.html

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-r...t-in-Iraq.html

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2012/1...of-vps-brother
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Benefiting from the name and perceived prestige associated with it? Sure.

Selling .gov influence? Show me.

When GWB put Hunter on the Board of AMTRAK, was he buying .gov influence?

Do you really think there is no corruption there? It's all just smoke with no fire?
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Do you really think there is no corruption there? It's all just smoke with no fire?
Where, the Ukraine thing or the China thing?

Ukraine appears dead in the water to me.

China is possible, but show me what Joe did in return for China's money. Without that, seems like wish-a, wish-a, hope-a, hope-a, to me.

Are Joe's immediately family members profiting off of the name recognition and notoriety of Joe Biden? Absolutely. Just like Trump's family is doing, just like Chelsea did, just like one of the Bush girls did, just like Megan McCain did, just like the entire Palin family did, etc, etc, etc.

It's unfortunate but unavoidable today, IMO.

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So is it too corrupt or not corrupt enough that is the issue for you guys?

I am super thrilled that tax payer dollars are used to pay for some of the current white house advisors.

I get that you all want Elizabeth Warren to run against our current president so that he has some shot at winning. Is that a risk you really want to take?

Is it corrupt? I think so. How would play in a heads up election with Trump though? A who is more corrupt competition?

This is making something big out of something small to try and influence the primary and leave Warren as the last contender. Trump thinks he can beat her. Maybe he can. Maybe he can't. He does like to gamble.
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An interesting read, and reinforcement to my position that Hunter and Joe's brother James have obviously been cashing in on Joe's name recognition.

Directly from that same article, though:

...There’s no evidence that Joe Biden used his power inappropriately or took action to benefit his relatives with respect to these ventures...
(emphasis mine)

Again, I don't see how this is markedly different from many other politically connected children/immediate family members, to include the current "First Family".
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An interesting read, and reinforcement to my position that Hunter and Joe's brother James have obviously been cashing in on Joe's name recognition.

Directly from that same article, though:

...There’s no evidence that Joe Biden used his power inappropriately or took action to benefit his relatives with respect to these ventures...
(emphasis mine)

Again, I don't see how this is markedly different from many other politically connected children/immediate family members, to include the current "First Family".
I understand and appreciate what you're saying. The coincidental pattern of Mr. Biden moving through the world and his family members engaging in business is disturbing. And my greater point is that all of this cronyism needs to be criminalized for both the families and the political scumbag.
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I understand and appreciate what you're saying. The coincidental pattern of Mr. Biden moving through the world and his family members engaging in business is disturbing. And my greater point is that all of this cronyism needs to be criminalized for both the families and the political scumbag.
Show me where Joe did something untoward and I might agree. Asserting he should be jailed for things his son and brother have done - of which they haven't even been charged with anything on account of - is remarkably anti-freedom and flies in the face of the tenets of our legal system.

I'm frankly surprised you're saying stuff like this.

So you'd see the Bidens, the Trumps, the Bushes, the Palins, the McCains, the Cheneys, et al in jail, eh?
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Show me where Joe did something untoward and I might agree. Asserting he should be jailed for things his son and brother have done - of which they haven't even been charged with anything on account of - is remarkably anti-freedom and flies in the face of the tenets of our legal system.

I'm frankly surprised you're saying stuff like this.

So you'd see the Bidens, the Trumps, the Bushes, the Palins, the McCains, the Cheneys, et al in jail, eh?
I'd see the practice ended and made illegal.
As far as the rest with regard to the current Biden situation...as I say in many things: Let it unfold.
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Where, the Ukraine thing or the China thing?

Ukraine appears dead in the water to me.

China is possible, but show me what Joe did in return for China's money. Without that, seems like wish-a, wish-a, hope-a, hope-a, to me.

Are Joe's immediately family members profiting off of the name recognition and notoriety of Joe Biden? Absolutely. Just like Trump's family is doing, just like Chelsea did, just like one of the Bush girls did, just like Megan McCain did, just like the entire Palin family did, etc, etc, etc.

It unfortunate but unavoidable today, IMO.

I'll take that all to mean in your opinion no corruption can be attached to the Biden's.

I really don't know details of the other families' doings. I do know a lot has been made of Trump's businesses in Turkey and his recent decisions regarding Turkey and Syria. The difference there it's so transparent we can form an opinion. (besides, wait a day or two and his decision will change ) It's the murky stuff where the onion needs to be peeled.

I only probed because you are so methodical and hard fact driven.
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Sounds like you are reaching, MK.
Let it unfold.
How are you doing today?
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I'd see the practice ended and made illegal.
As far as the rest with regard to the current Biden situation...as I say in many things: Let it unfold.
"Let it unfold", and yet you keep making threads/posts about it, my friend.

What "practice" would you have made illegal, specifically, though? I don't see an easy way to kill this sort of thing.
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I'll take that all to mean in your opinion no corruption can be attached to the Biden's.
Certainly not given anything I've seen or read. I'm willing to be convinced, though.


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I really don't know details of the other families' doings. I do know a lot has been made of Trump's businesses in Turkey and his recent decisions regarding Turkey and Syria. The difference there it's so transparent we can form an opinion. (besides, wait a day or two and his decision will change ) It's the murky stuff where the onion needs to be peeled.
Jared's real estate deals, Ivanka's Chinese patents, etc are "so transparent" we can form an opinion? I'm not sure I agree there.


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I only probed because you are so methodical and hard fact driven.
I certainly try to be.

The facts, as I see them, are:

Many people/governments/organizations outside of Joe Biden wanted Shokin gone from his position in Ukraine - the reason being that he wasn't actually doing a good job of investigating corruption, which was his mandate. Further, this was open US foreign policy that was well covered at the time, and Joe hasn't been bashful about since then. Hardly some shady, backroom deal trying to be kept secret.

Hunter and James are very obviously cashing in on the family name. It's unseemly, but not illegal, based on everything I'm aware of.

So, where does that leave us?

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