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      04-19-2016, 02:43 PM   #67
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Looks great but I really feel like they're shooting themselves in the foot with this headlight to grille thing. The f10 headlights look much more elegant than these. It's like they design a very pretty car and then force the headlights over a few extra inches. This is really the case on the f30 for which I think looks pretty bad but just my opinion.
I agree. That "stretch" is too much for me too. I am just waiting for the next generation.They should follow the M2 headlamp style, it is more classy, elegant and aggressive in the same time; just as it supposed to be.

Also, I do hope that they will stop fooling around with that horrible horizontal line on the hood and will give the car a distinct design by ending the hood where it supposed to end: at the headlights and grille.

And please, don't hurt our intelligence with the "pedestrian protection" crap.

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The 6-Series has had those foglights since the 2012 model came out in 2011, and the new 7-Series has them as well.
Right you are. I never noticed them before.
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The contouring of the actual kidney trim is different. If you look very close at the spy shots, the camouflage is giving the illusion of vertical volume. There is a fairly sharp contour and most of the trim is forwards the horizontal plane. The grills are forward canted at the top in relation to the bottom. Also there is a significant bumper contour missing that completely changes the visual mass. Between the license plate and the individual kidney sculpting, there is a very strong sculpting of the entire center area (mix the G11/12 M Sport front with the F8x M3/4 front). For the headlights, slim the upper trim area from the bottom rather than the top. There is a bit more distance between that and the DRL shapes

On the side, yes there is something above the air breather, but it's not an additional one. The fender has a deep contour as you've made which connects down to the air breather. This particular mule seems to have the small ///M badge applied and the camo pieces on top just happen to line up in a way that it appears there is something more substantial underneath.

Looking very good though and almost there
Thanks Mr Insider . Will work on it!
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The contouring of the actual kidney trim is different. If you look very close at the spy shots, the camouflage is giving the illusion of vertical volume. There is a fairly sharp contour and most of the trim is forwards the horizontal plane. The grills are forward canted at the top in relation to the bottom. Also there is a significant bumper contour missing that completely changes the visual mass. Between the license plate and the individual kidney sculpting, there is a very strong sculpting of the entire center area (mix the G11/12 M Sport front with the F8x M3/4 front). For the headlights, slim the upper trim area from the bottom rather than the top. There is a bit more distance between that and the DRL shapes

On the side, yes there is something above the air breather, but it's not an additional one. The fender has a deep contour as you've made which connects down to the air breather. This particular mule seems to have the small ///M badge applied and the camo pieces on top just happen to line up in a way that it appears there is something more substantial underneath.

Looking very good though and almost there
Thanks Mr Insider . Will work on it!
No thank you for taking the time to do this. I'm not good at PS renderings (image post-processing is a different story) so happy to contribute to the effort as much as possible.
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The contouring of the actual kidney trim is different. If you look very close at the spy shots, the camouflage is giving the illusion of vertical volume. There is a fairly sharp contour and most of the trim is forwards the horizontal plane. The grills are forward canted at the top in relation to the bottom. Also there is a significant bumper contour missing that completely changes the visual mass. Between the license plate and the individual kidney sculpting, there is a very strong sculpting of the entire center area (mix the G11/12 M Sport front with the F8x M3/4 front). For the headlights, slim the upper trim area from the bottom rather than the top. There is a bit more distance between that and the DRL shapes

On the side, yes there is something above the air breather, but it's not an additional one. The fender has a deep contour as you've made which connects down to the air breather. This particular mule seems to have the small ///M badge applied and the camo pieces on top just happen to line up in a way that it appears there is something more substantial underneath.

Looking very good though and almost there
Here you go. I think it's now pretty close... I still cannot see how the deep fender contour joins the air breather down below... Any suggestion (drawing) would be welcome!!
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Gosh, I feel so left behind with BMW's styling direction. I'm probably just too old, but we used to use terms like svelte and elegant to describe BMWs. To my (old, I guess) eye, everything BMW is now something more bulbous and SUV-like. I consider myself young at heart and very open to new things, but not everything new is better.

btw, I left BMW five years ago after driving their cars since 1984. I recently went thru another car buying process and tried very hard to get back into the brand, but I just couldn't get there. I ended up ordering a Jaguar XF-S. It's a brave, new world.

The best of the past and the present, imo . . .
Car designing used to be much more simple: a general silhouette and a couple of character lines and that would be it. Nowadays you have very complicated shapes and crazy surfacing... I guess it's a mirror of today's ever world... About the Jaguars, I have to admit I'm not crazy about their designs: it's always the same basic shape with a tweak here and there and it's very difficult to distinguish an XE from an XF for example... Also they boast about their aluminium construction but their cars still are too heavy...
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Right you are. I never noticed them before.
I think they should change suppliers to get nicer looking LED fog lights!!
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Car designing used to be much more simple: a general silhouette and a couple of character lines and that would be it. Nowadays you have very complicated shapes and crazy surfacing... I guess it's a mirror of today's ever world... About the Jaguars, I have to admit I'm not crazy about their designs: it's always the same basic shape with a tweak here and there and it's very difficult to distinguish an XE from an XF for example... Also they boast about their aluminium construction but their cars still are too heavy...
I think your comment on car design is very fair, and based on your fine rendering, I'm going to guess that you know much more about the topic than I do.

Regarding the Jags, I too am having a hard time distinguishing between the XE and the XF. But I'm new to the brand and I'm going to guess that there are many non-bimmerphiles who would have the same problem distinguishing between a 5 and a 7. Same bangers, different sizes?

The only argument that I have with you is the weight of the new Jags. What you said may have been true in the past, but take a look at the new models. The new XF-S AWD model is listed here in the States at 3880 lbs (1760 kg). That's hundreds of pounds less than the 535 or 550 xDrives (at 380 hp, it falls between the two). It was that single stat that got me into the Jag showroom to look at the car.
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I think your comment on car design is very fair, and based on your fine rendering, I'm going to guess that you know much more about the topic than I do.

Regarding the Jags, I too am having a hard time distinguishing between the XE and the XF. But I'm new to the brand and I'm going to guess that there are many non-bimmerphiles who would have the same problem distinguishing between a 5 and a 7. Same bangers, different sizes?

The only argument that I have with you is the weight of the new Jags. What you said may have been true in the past, but take a look at the new models. The new XF-S AWD model is listed here in the States at 3880 lbs (1760 kg). That's hundreds of pounds less than the 535 or 550 xDrives (at 380 hp, it falls between the two). It was that single stat that got me into the Jag showroom to look at the car.
Haha, I was actually thinking of the F-type which I was very excited about when it was launched. I had the pleasure of seeing it before the opening of the motor show in 2013 in Sydney and having a very nice chat with Ian Callum... Being built in aluminium that car managed to be several hundred pounds heavier than the steel-bodied 911!! I'm relieved that not only Jaguar but other major manufacturers (including BMW of course) have embraced the philosophy that lighter is better, for performance and handling, wear and tear and fuel consumption. By the way, how do you rate the fit and finish of the new XF? I've been disappointed by subpar fit and finish in the previous generation...

Thank you about your comments on my design: I've been drawing cars since I was a kid and am learning to draw in photoshop. Rendering future cars is exciting and to be able to share it with enthusiasts is rewarding too!

Last but not least, congrats on the fine line up of automobiles past and present, is the Jaguar your 1st automatic?? Cheers from down under (love Boston: lovely people in your beautiful city!).
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Wow, you work so quickly! Looking real good so far. Sorry if i sound ungrateful, but can you please do them again in the colors available on the f10? just want to get an idea of what colors would be best. i would do them myself but am horrible at photoshop.
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Wow, you work so quickly! Looking real good so far. Sorry if i sound ungrateful, but can you please do them again in the colors available on the f10? just want to get an idea of what colors would be best. i would do them myself but am horrible at photoshop.
Thanks! Will try but white is a horrible colour to convert to others...

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Now, let's see the profile... This looks like a HUGE car by the size of the drivers' head!

A little teaser...
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I'm gonna wait for this to come out and F10 550i CPO price to drop like a brick. Good times!
I picked up my 535i xdrive on CPO for pretty damn cheap, almost half off essentially. only had 16K miles on it and was about 3 years old!
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Awesome renders! Glad to see your render didn't include the cutouts for the headlight washers
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The contouring of the actual kidney trim is different. If you look very close at the spy shots, the camouflage is giving the illusion of vertical volume. There is a fairly sharp contour and most of the trim is forwards the horizontal plane. The grills are forward canted at the top in relation to the bottom. Also there is a significant bumper contour missing that completely changes the visual mass. Between the license plate and the individual kidney sculpting, there is a very strong sculpting of the entire center area (mix the G11/12 M Sport front with the F8x M3/4 front). For the headlights, slim the upper trim area from the bottom rather than the top. There is a bit more distance between that and the DRL shapes

On the side, yes there is something above the air breather, but it's not an additional one. The fender has a deep contour as you've made which connects down to the air breather. This particular mule seems to have the small ///M badge applied and the camo pieces on top just happen to line up in a way that it appears there is something more substantial underneath.

Looking very good though and almost there
Here you go. I think it's now pretty close... I still cannot see how the deep fender contour joins the air breather down below... Any suggestion (drawing) would be welcome!!
Very very close on the front. Nice work. The angle of this photo isn't the best to refine the rear front fender shapes.
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Now, let's see the profile... This looks like a HUGE car by the size of the drivers' head!

A little teaser...
The side profile is going to be a bit complex to describe. If this is the only set of test mule spy shots you're working from, certain elements are exaggerated or toned down compared to others. Don't let the lens distortion in the photo throw off the interpretation of the size. It's nearly identical to the F10. Just like that car, the G30 takes elements from all the current language Fxx series, a few recent concepts, and incorporates them in the most cohesive manner.

I can do a rough outline of the side like I did with the front shortly. Hard to do on a phone with my finger haha.
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@Paul-Bracq-BMW Looks like you'd be the prime candidate to do the M5 render as well!
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The side profile is going to be a bit complex to describe. If this is the only set of test mule spy shots you're working from, certain elements are exaggerated or toned down compared to others. Don't let the lens distortion in the photo throw off the interpretation of the size. It's nearly identical to the F10. Just like that car, the G30 takes elements from all the current language Fxx series, a few recent concepts, and incorporates them in the most cohesive manner.

I can do a rough outline of the side like I did with the front shortly. Hard to do on a phone with my finger haha.
Thanks! Any help will be appreciated!

I guess I'm still used to the e39 size so all newer iterations of the 5er look too big for me!
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Awesome renders! Glad to see your render didn't include the cutouts for the headlight washers
I've would have put them had they not been masked by the camouflage . need to be as realistic as possible!
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Interesting. The most realistic render seen yet.
For those saying the grille is too big, consider the angle of the car on which it was photographed with a very big close-up!

The new shadow character line than runs around the rear Hofmesiter kink and diagonally runs along the glasshouse helps the main mid line split the car in half allowing the bottom section to be more coke bottleish it defines the wheel arches and allows the car to sit with a 17"wheel and not look two under wheeled like the E60 was.

The main character line joins with the shadow line to suggest it is melting into the metal and forming one line with stops before the front wheel arch but visually aligns with the air breather with no connecting line.
The air breather does not utilise the Hockey stick trim but an impression in the metal itself.
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Interesting. The most realistic render seen yet.
For those saying the grille is too big, consider the angle of the car on which it was photographed with a very big close-up!

The new shadow character line than runs around the rear Hofmesiter kink and diagonally runs along the glasshouse helps the main mid line split the car in half allowing the bottom section to be more coke bottleish it defines the wheel arches and allows the car to sit with a 17"wheel and not look two under wheeled like the E60 was.

The main character line joins with the shadow line to suggest it is melting into the metal and forming one line with stops before the front wheel arch but visually aligns with the air breather with no connecting line.
The air breather does not utilise the Hockey stick trim but an impression in the metal itself.

Thanks Scott26, this has been a labour of love trying to decipher the spy pictures. I'm sure the real car will look better than the render for obvious reasons...
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@Paul-Bracq-BMW Looks like you'd be the prime candidate to do the M5 render as well!
Would love to when we have less camouflaged pics!
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