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      01-27-2019, 04:38 PM   #2311
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The discovery process should reveal some very interesting information in this Stone trial.
Why do think Cohen got cold feet?
Because Trump intimidated him? Pffftt.
He doesn't want the boys with red ties grilling him.
I forget which Republican Senator on the committee it was, but when he heard Cohen was backing out he said
Oh hell no, get him in here.

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Glocks locked, loaded and up for an old man in his pajamas that's accused of lying.

SeRiOusLy.
Locked and loaded pertains to the WWII M-1 rifle. Beyond that, the term is nothing more than TV/Movie horseshit.
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Locked and loaded pertains to the WWII M-1 rifle. Beyond that, the term is nothing more than TV/Movie horseshit.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lock_and_load

Etymology
Attested since at least 1793, when a document describes flintlock weapons that are ready to fire as "well locked and loaded". The variant "load(ed) and lock(ed)" is found since at least 1815. The phrase may have originated from the use of gunlocks on naval artillery (in use by the Royal Navy since 1745); as gunlocks were not required for firing (a lintstock could be used) it may have been necessary to specify cannon was 'locked' as well as loaded.

As an imperative, used since at least 1940, in the U.S. Army Field Manual for the M1 Rifle. Compare e.g. German "laden und sichern" ("load and secure"). Popularized in culture after being used by John Wayne in Sands of Iwo Jima (1949).

Interjection
lock and load
1.(US, slang) A command to prepare a weapon for battle.
2.(US, slang) Prepare for an imminent event.

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      01-28-2019, 08:36 AM   #2314
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Obviously. Just because Assange is the most anti-American person on the planet after the current ayatollah and Putin, we should believe him. Too bad he won't come out of the Ecuadorian embassy to explain himself.


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      01-28-2019, 10:55 AM   #2315
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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lock_and_load

Etymology
Attested since at least 1793, when a document describes flintlock weapons that are ready to fire as "well locked and loaded". The variant "load(ed) and lock(ed)" is found since at least 1815. The phrase may have originated from the use of gunlocks on naval artillery (in use by the Royal Navy since 1745); as gunlocks were not required for firing (a lintstock could be used) it may have been necessary to specify cannon was 'locked' as well as loaded.

As an imperative, used since at least 1940, in the U.S. Army Field Manual for the M1 Rifle. Compare e.g. German "laden und sichern" ("load and secure"). Popularized in culture after being used by John Wayne in Sands of Iwo Jima (1949).

Interjection
lock and load
1.(US, slang) A command to prepare a weapon for battle.
2.(US, slang) Prepare for an imminent event.

I still find it odd that many Trump supporters are quick to point out, in detail, inconsequential errors or omissions of non-Trump supporters while simultaneously, in detail, ignoring Trump's countless colossal errors.
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      01-28-2019, 11:01 AM   #2316
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I still find it odd that many Trump supporters are quick to point out, in detail, inconsequential errors or omissions of non-Trump supporters while simultaneously, in detail, ignoring Trump's countless colossal errors.
How do you ignore something in detail?

You were calling someone out for their "misuse" of "lock and load". They were not wrong. But just keep on being you - i.e. only being able to make "call outs" instead of posts of substance.
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      01-28-2019, 11:07 AM   #2317
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Just a curious question who believe this whole thing is a shame. How do you explain the closest people to Trump in his campaign all showing to have lied about the same thing: Russia?
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Just a curious question who believe this whole thing is a shame. How do you explain the closest people to Trump in his campaign all showing to have lied about the same thing: Russia?
Most had ties to Russia way before Trump, those same people also worked for previous presidents with those same ties.

If you also look at their history, most were caught lying many of times through their careers. If you focus only on them lying about Russia in this investigation, then it all looks really suspicious. But if you notice that they have been lying about many things, including Russia, through most of their careers, it doesn't look that suspicious anymore.
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Most had ties to Russia way before Trump, those same people also worked for previous presidents with those same ties.

If you also look at their history, most were caught lying many of times through their careers. If you focus only on them lying about Russia in this investigation, then it all looks really suspicious. But if you notice that they have been lying about many things, including Russia, through most of their careers, it doesn't look that suspicious anymore.
Keep telling yourself this and after a while it will become true in your mind. Works for pathological liars like Trump.
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      01-28-2019, 02:33 PM   #2320
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Just a curious question who believe this whole thing is a shame. How do you explain the closest people to Trump in his campaign all showing to have lied about the same thing: Russia?
If the Russia investigation is real why have none of Mueller's indictments made ANY mention of Russian collusion whatsoever? They have all been process crimes and past tax issues.
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      01-28-2019, 02:38 PM   #2321
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Keep telling yourself this and after a while it will become true in your mind. Works for pathological liars like Trump.
You can post as many laugh emojis as you want, but djsaad1 is correct.

Michael Flynn - process crime
George Papadopoulos - process crime
Paul Manafort - taxes
Rick Gates - process crime
Michael Cohen - taxes and banking
Roger Stone - process crime

The same cast of characters also tried to influence John McCain's presidential bid.

https://www.circa.com/story/2017/06/...-to-know-about
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      01-28-2019, 02:43 PM   #2322
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If the Russia investigation is real why have none of Mueller's indictments made ANY mention of Russian collusion whatsoever? They have all been process crimes and past tax issues.
There is no such thing as 'collusion' as a crime. Many of Muller's indictments include charges of making false statements to the FBI, theft in connection with the Russian indictments, hacking, conspiracy, lying to the House Intelligence Committee, etc, etc.
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I'll say this for the 5th time.

What did Capone go to jail for?
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You can post as many laugh emojis as you want, but djsaad1 is correct.

Michael Flynn - process crime
George Papadopoulos - process crime
Paul Manafort - taxes
Rick Gates - process crime
Michael Cohen - taxes and banking
Roger Stone - process crime

The same cast of characters also tried to influence John McCain's presidential bid.
The collision investigation is not over so let's see what the report says?

Flynn, Papadopoulos, Manafort, Gates, and Cohen are cooperating with Mueller, possibly Stone too. Do you not see that as quite significant?
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Change "colluding" to "conspiring". Law, broken.

Really people. Come on.
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There is no such thing as 'collusion' as a crime. Many of Muller's indictments include charges of making false statements to the FBI, theft in connection with the Russian indictments, hacking, conspiracy, lying to the House Intelligence Committee, etc, etc.
The indictments to date for those who were involved in the campaign have been for process crimes. Nowhere is Russia mentioned. Funny that considering it's an investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 election, but having said that tomorrow is a new day so who knows what it could bring.
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This past Sunday George Stephanopoulos asked Roger Stone if he wiped his computer hard drives in advance of the FBI's made-for-TV raid. Instantly I hoped he would provide a Clinton-esque reply "you mean with a cloth?" Sadly he responded with a simple "no."
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The indictments to date for those who were involved in the campaign have been for process crimes. Nowhere is Russia mentioned. Funny that considering it's an investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 election, but having said that tomorrow is a new day so who knows what it could bring.
Wrong.

Stone's indictment says that a "senior Trump campaign official was directed" to ask Stone to let them know if he got any more intel from WikiLeaks. According to our intelligence organizations the data in question came from Russian (government associated/sponsored) hackers - despite Assange's claims to the contrary.

IF that's true - that is coordination with the Russians, since that intelligence report was released before the alleged directive from the Trump campaign was given to Stone.

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      01-29-2019, 11:24 AM   #2329
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The indictments to date for those who were involved in the campaign have been for process crimes. Nowhere is Russia mentioned. Funny that considering it's an investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 election, but having said that tomorrow is a new day so who knows what it could bring.
Wrong.

Stone's indictment says that a "senior Trump campaign official was directed" to ask Stone to let them know if he got any more intel from WikiLeaks. According to our intelligence organizations the data in question came from Russian (government associated/sponsored) hackers - despite Assange's claims to the contrary.

IF that's true - that is coordination with the Russians, since that intelligence report was released before the alleged directive from the Trump campaign was given to Stone.
Are you saying that asking WikiLeaks for information = asking Russia for information?

If the Trump campaign was indeed colluding with Russia; why would they have to ask Stone... to ask WikiLeaks... to ask Russia for this information? Wouldn't some Russian lawyer-babe just bring the info over to Trump Tower?
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Are you arguing that asking WikiLeaks for information = asking Russia for information?

If the Trump campaign was indeed colluding with Russia; why would they have to ask Stone... to ask WikiLeaks... to ask Russia for this information? Wouldn't some Russian lawyer-babe just bring the info over to Trump Tower?
Well, Trump's Sec of State Mike Pompeo called WikiLeaks a "a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia" back in April of 2017 when he was DCIA....

Plus, yes, directing Stone to see WikiLeaks had any more data that was stolen by the Russians is pretty damned close to conspiring with the Russians, if it's not 100% there from a legal perspective.
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Are you saying that asking WikiLeaks for information = asking Russia for information?

If the Trump campaign was indeed colluding with Russia; why would they have to ask Stone... to ask WikiLeaks... to ask Russia for this information? Wouldn't some Russian lawyer-babe just bring the info over to Trump Tower?
Did she? She did have a meeting there, and Don Jr. lied about it.........
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Are you arguing that asking WikiLeaks for information = asking Russia for information?

If the Trump campaign was indeed colluding with Russia; why would they have to ask Stone... to ask WikiLeaks... to ask Russia for this information? Wouldn't some Russian lawyer-babe just bring the info over to Trump Tower?
Well, Trump's Sec of State Mike Pompeo called WikiLeaks a "a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia" back in April of 2017 when he was DCIA....

Plus, yes, directing Stone to see WikiLeaks had any more data that was stolen by the Russians is pretty damned close to conspiring with the Russians, if it's not 100% there from a legal perspective.
My point is that we should not say that Stone contacting WikiLeaks is directly equal to the Trump campaign contacting Russia... or even equal to Stone contacting Russia.
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