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      03-19-2020, 11:22 AM   #67
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You can get a nice C6Z for the same price as a Terminator. Craziness. C6Z > Terminator all day. Only way I'd have to think about it is if the Terminator is a CO or Mystic convertible already modded with about the same HP as a modded C6Z.
I agree. I was one of the first in my area to have a Terminator. Eventually put a Kenne Bell blower on it. Now if you want an "unmolested" Termi...you will pay for it.

That's why I don't think the C6Z will go much lower in price. The prices you see are great now. I can honestly see it regaining more value in the future even if it is small.
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Iíd be looking for a garaged and well cared for stock Z owned by an older guy who most likely just tooled around on weekends with low miles on the odometer. Receipts of oil changes and similar preventive work and head work done a big plus. I know these cars are pretty hard to find but worth the extra time looking and a higher price tag possibly. Never know though, this should be a buyers market in this corona economy down turn.
Most of the C6Z's in my area are owned by older people. I remember back last summer sitting at a red light when one pulled up next to me. It was yellow, and the guy driving it had to be around 70. I told him nice car, and he told me that it was a weekend cruiser for he and his wife.

Crazy low miles on it as well. You could tell it was well taken care of.
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If you can afford it, go for it. I drove my buddy's z06 (well modded, ~600whp), it was helluva fun. I did not realize how difficult it was to drive a car with torque, especially around corners.
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      03-19-2020, 12:17 PM   #70
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Most of the C6Z's in my area are owned by older people. I remember back last summer sitting at a red light when one pulled up next to me. It was yellow, and the guy driving it had to be around 70. I told him nice car, and he told me that it was a weekend cruiser for he and his wife.

Crazy low miles on it as well. You could tell it was well taken care of.
Agreed, many are owned by older guys. My main point to the OP was to avoid the ones owned by younger guys who are doing all the performance work on their cars and really stressing the drive line and chassis at the drag strip, street racing and whatever else theyíre doing. I know theyíre tough cars but hole shots with sticky tires, burnouts and excessive redlines and over revs do take its toll over time as you know.
Iím on several Corvette forums and there a bunch of guys who beat the shit out of their Corvettes(Z06 included) and many who donít and do exactly like you described. Iíd be looking for that guys car if I was the OP.
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If you can afford it, go for it. I drove my buddy's z06 (well modded, ~600whp), it was helluva fun. I did not realize how difficult it was to drive a car with torque, especially around corners.
THIS. Vettes and Zs in particular will kill you if you let them. They are brute force, no lag, no delay, spin tires in anything less than 5th, rocket ships. And you better know how to drive one. This is why the old adage "there's no replacement for displacement" still hold true. You get 500+ HP and a fat, juicy, long lasting torque curve, with no delays. I'm contemplating a C6 Z06 as well as a C7 GS when I get back to the States.
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      03-19-2020, 04:57 PM   #72
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I agree. I was one of the first in my area to have a Terminator. Eventually put a Kenne Bell blower on it. Now if you want an "unmolested" Termi...you will pay for it.

That's why I don't think the C6Z will go much lower in price. The prices you see are great now. I can honestly see it regaining more value in the future even if it is small.
I think you very well might be right on appreciation. The LS7 will likely be the most powerful, street N/A V8 Corvette in its long history. The fact that itís wrapped in the wide body C6 body and itís low weight certainly wont hurt it. I bet it appreciates also.
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I think you very well might be right on appreciation. The LS7 will likely be the most powerful, street N/A V8 Corvette in its long history. The fact that itís wrapped in the wide body C6 body and itís low weight certainly wont hurt it. I bet it appreciates also.
Are we forgetting about the 1969 427 ZL1?
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Are we forgetting about the 1969 427 ZL1?
No I didn’t forget. The ZL1 was a very limited engine, special COPO order and rare as hens teeth and it was rated from the factory at about 430 if I recall. I think only 2 or 3 found their way into Corvettes from the factory. There’s talk of this holy grail engine producing much more then its factory rated HP but they were tested not in a car but on a Dyno stand and I’m sure you know the numbers are much higher on the stand and the factories weren’t monitored for honesty. Engine on stand, race gas, custom not factory headers, no drive line loss, no accessories robbing power and whatever tweaks the engineers could do to raise numbers. Here’s a quick article showing what a couple ran the 1/4 stock. Sometimes these heroes get blow way out of proportion. Still would kill to have one.
https://www.americancarcollector.com...t-camaro-zl1-2

13.1@110 and 12.1@117 on slicks doesn’t equate to over 500bhp. Stock C6 Z06 easily whips that on stock runflats. ET and trap.
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No I didnít forget. The ZL1 was a very limited engine, special COPO order and rare as hens teeth and it was rated from the factory at about 430 if I recall. I think only 2 or 3 found their way into Corvettes from the factory. Thereís talk of this holy grail engine producing much more then its factory rated HP but they were tested not in a car but on a Dyno stand and Iím sure you know the numbers are much higher on the stand and the factories werenít monitored for honesty. Engine on stand, race gas, custom not factory headers, no drive line loss, no accessories robbing power and whatever tweaks the engineers could do to raise numbers. Hereís a quick article showing what a couple ran the 1/4 stock. Sometimes these heroes get blow way out of proportion. Still would kill to have one.
https://www.americancarcollector.com...t-camaro-zl1-2

13.1@110 and 12.1@117 on slicks doesnít equate to over 500bhp. Stock C6 Z06 easily whips that on stock runflats. ET and trap.
Remember they did not have the tire sizes, suspension & technology we have now.
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Remember they did not have the tire sizes, suspension & technology we have now.
Didn't they rate HP different then?
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Didn't they rate HP different then?
They did...Before 1971, engines were factory rated using a process defined by the Society of Automotive Engineers as 'Gross' horsepower. This figure was calculated on a test stand with no intake, exhaust or power-robbing accessories attached. After 1971, power levels dropped as manufacturers re-rated engines using the SAE's 'Net' process, which added intake and exhaust restrictions and the load of engine accessories, like the alternator and power-steering pump.
When the '72's came out, we were shocked at what was called "net rated" horsepower figures...that an lowered compression ratios (for the then new unleaded gas).
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Remember they did not have the tire sizes, suspension & technology we have now.
I know and bone stock ZLís didnít put down close to 500 on chassis Dynos. Which removes old tire tech and chassisí, most stock ZL1 plants don't even put down 400 to the wheels which puts them lower then LS7ís. Which is what I based my original statement on.
We canít even talk about engine tech because fuel inj, computers and all obviously sets apart the two engines but one canít claim the older is more powerful then say itís not fair because new technology. More power is more power.
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I know and bone stock ZLís didnít put down close to 500 on chassis Dynos. Which removes old tire tech and chassisí, most stock ZL1 plants don't even put down 400 to the wheels which puts them lower then LS7ís. Which is what I based my original statement on.
We canít even talk about engine tech because fuel inj, computers and all obviously sets apart the two engines but one canít claim the older is more powerful then say itís not fair because new technology. More power is more power.
You misunderstood my original point, sir. Good day
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I have my eye on 3 different Z06's... currently in a holding pattern until I see what happens with this whole economic situation.
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I have my eye on 3 different Z06's... currently in a holding pattern until I see what happens with this whole economic situation.
The economy will climb out of the hole pretty quickly when they get a firm handle on this thing and before then you might see prices of Zís dropping at this moment in time because some might need liquidity in these trying times, a buyers market.
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Starting to see some deals, couple of local Z06's in the mid 20's just popped up. Someone also posted a 2010 ECS Supercharged GrandSport for 26k.
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