I want to buy an M4 but I have a few issues with it..

bm323 · 08-01-2014, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinYellowMakesMeHard

Why not?

I haven't driven an M4 yet ( my dealership hasn't gotten one yet) so I pardon me if I'm wrong in thinking that in the real world a 335i with an aftermarket exhaust and tune will keep up with an m4

Incorrect to say you have issues with the M4 when you haven't even driven one

M3guy3 · 08-01-2014, 08:31 PM

i am not a huge fan of the looks, nor the F30. A

As far as sound goes, that totally personal opinion. although i agree its not a very good sound car. At least compared to the old V8.

Never Convicted · 08-01-2014, 09:14 PM

Please don't buy an M4. You won't have any idea about how to drive it. Go to the C7, C63, or RS5 boards. Or maybe the "my modded 335i kicks the shit out of the M4" board. There's really no need for you to get an M car.

bm323 · 08-01-2014, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gmcconn535

How much different did an E36 M3 look from the regular 3-series or the E46 M3 from a normal 3-series? To many but the real enthusiast, the answer was - not much. Primary difference was in front air dam and fender flares. That same difference exists between the current 3/4 series and M3/M4. I think this is a weak to non-existant argument.

If the C63 AMG or RS5 appeal to you more then you should buy one of them. It is a personal choice that only you can make. Enjoy whatever you choose.

You couldn't have driven a M car before ... it's not the looks

SakhirM4 · 08-01-2014, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bm323

You couldn't have driven a M car before ... it's not the looks

I was responding to the OP's comment about looks. My point had nothing to do with performance. I have a 2006 Dinan M3 that I have owned for 8 years and have driven many M cars. I know what an M is about.

E92Jay · 08-01-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinYellowMakesMeHard

Why not?

I haven't driven an M4 yet ( my dealership hasn't gotten one yet) so I pardon me if I'm wrong in thinking that in the real world a 335i with an aftermarket exhaust and tune will keep up with an m4

No...

bdoooh · 08-01-2014, 10:57 PM

The day I picked up my M3 my neighbor picked up his m-sport F30 335. Side by side here..

thai357sig · 08-01-2014, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NavidM3E92

I really think you should buy a 335i and tune it lol

He can't, it looks too much like an M3/M4!

SakhirM4 · 08-01-2014, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by thai357sig

He can't, it looks too much like an M3/M4!

Don't say that!! //Msa will accuse you of making a clown comment!!

mxa121 · 08-01-2014, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bdoooh

The day I picked up my M3 my neighbor picked up his m-sport F30 335. Side by side here..

Thank you.
From this angle, the blue one looks great...and the white one looks great...
From a non-enthusiast view, I am sure the color is the only difference they would notice.

So like all M cars before, the F8x contain understated, simple design elements which increase the appeal over the regular cars but don't shout "look at me".

From the rear in pics, it is easy to say the M3 looks more different vs 3 series relative to the M4 vs 4 series, but in reality, the differences are very similar. The M4 actually has a different shaped trunk in addition to all of the common changes, making it "more different" than an M3...

myzmak · 08-01-2014, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by M4TW

If the mountains of reviews, user blogs and videos that have been amassed about this car won't persuade you, then asking for opinions from random people on the internet won't either.

Instead, find away to test drive it and let the car do the talking. Chances are that you'll be left thinking how ridiculous these questions are.

But, fwiw:

1. No it doesn't.

2. No you can't. And

3. The exhaust sounds fantastic.

Yup.

J50 · 08-02-2014, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by gmcconn535

I totally disagree. People say that in this forum all the time, but to my eye, there is no more difference between an M3 and a 335i M Sport than there is between a 435i M Sport and an M4.

Agreed...only styling aspect on the M3 is the rear fender flare looking more pronounced because it gets cut off at the rear door vs. flowing into the bodywork. Even though they are the same width.

clar · 08-02-2014, 12:24 AM

M3/4 is nothing like its series production cousin. The amount of R&D and changes put into the car is prob the most among all M cars! M is in the driving, not how it looks or tune potential. This current generation of M3/4 is significantly better suited for the track right out of the factory compared to prev generations. Drive one first before making any judgement. I drove the M4 and loved it a lot! Planning to trade my M5 for a M3 if I could sort out the logistics of loosing the M5 first. I already know what they will do in the comp package: A faster and sharper steering rack to start with. Not much to change for the suspension in my opinion and power is adequate too...

ybbiz34 · 08-02-2014, 12:30 AM

I have driven all three cars and have owned two of them (C63 and M Sport F30 335i w/ entire M Performance catalog).

In comparison to the M Sport F30 335i w/ M Performance parts (a great car/setup, no doubt), the M4 feels like a completely different animal. The M4 has heavier, more communicative steering; substantially less body roll; a firmer suspension; seemingly infinitely more traction; a better transmission (ZF 8-speed Sport Auto. is good but the DCT is noticeably better/faster); more aggressive engine/exhaust notes; and a lot more power/torque (to name a few things).

The brakes on the M4 felt similar to those on my F30 only because my F30 had the M Performance Big Brake Kit (which utilized the F80/F82 standard calipers). The standard M4 brakes are phenomenal. My C63 has outstanding brakes (6-piston fixed front, 4-piston fixed rear setup; seriously big hardware) and the M4's 4/2 F/R fixed setup felt equally as impressive.

In sum, the M4 and the C63 are in a league of their own. They're rawer, more exciting, more focused, more demanding on the driver, and noticeably sharper all-around.

If you're someone that drives his car hard on the road and attends occasional track days, you will unequivocally be able to distinguish between the performance of the M4 and the 335i or the C63 and the 335i.

If you mostly cruise around in Comfort mode, you'll probably be just fine with the 435i or 335i.

JL M3 · 08-02-2014, 12:31 AM

The M3 doesn't sound like the car for you.

swanson · 08-02-2014, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tlp

But I thought AY makes you hard

2sporty · 08-02-2014, 02:25 AM

I think a modified 335 suits you better.

AustinYellowMakesMeHard · 08-02-2014, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I have driven all three cars and have owned two of them (C63 and M Sport F30 335i w/ entire M Performance catalog).

In comparison to the M Sport F30 335i w/ M Performance parts (a great car/setup, no doubt), the M4 feels like a completely different animal. The M4 has heavier, more communicative steering; substantially less body roll; a firmer suspension; seemingly infinitely more traction; a better transmission (ZF 8-speed Sport Auto. is good but the DCT is noticeably better/faster); more aggressive engine/exhaust notes; and a lot more power/torque (to name a few things).

The brakes on the M4 felt similar to those on my F30 only because my F30 had the M Performance Big Brake Kit (which utilized the F80/F82 standard calipers). The standard M4 brakes are phenomenal. My C63 has outstanding brakes (6-piston fixed front, 4-piston fixed rear setup; seriously big hardware) and the M4's 4/2 F/R fixed setup felt equally as impressive.

In sum, the M4 and the C63 are in a league of their own. They're rawer, more exciting, more focused, more demanding on the driver, and noticeably sharper all-around.

If you're someone that drives his car hard on the road and attends occasional track days, you will unequivocally be able to distinguish between the performance of the M4 and the 335i or the C63 and the 335i.

If you mostly cruise around in Comfort mode, you'll probably be just fine with the 435i or 335i.

Thank you very much for the detailed answer, and for not making fun of my poor english or lacking experience with M cars.

I go to work by public transport most days so essentially what I'm looking for is a fun car that I can take out for a drive in the weekends and still enjoy it while going at/below the speed limit. I have this dream of taking my car up to the nurburgring( it's about a 6h drive) one day but I really don't have time to actually "track" my car.

Between your C63 and the M4, which one do you think would bring you more joy on winding village/mountain roads?

AustinYellowMakesMeHard · 08-02-2014, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Never Convicted

Please don't buy an M4. You won't have any idea about how to drive it. Go to the C7, C63, or RS5 boards. Or maybe the "my modded 335i kicks the shit out of the M4" board. There's really no need for you to get an M car.

Thanks for you insight, I bet you knew everything about driving your M car when you first got it right?

Also please don't forget that there are a few normal people on this board, not everyone is an ex race car driver.

AustinYellowMakesMeHard · 08-02-2014, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bdoooh

The day I picked up my M3 my neighbor picked up his m-sport F30 335. Side by side here..

The M3 is definitely a prettier machine. Thanks

AustinYellowMakesMeHard · 08-02-2014, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Audio Fan

Go see an AY M4 in person. You'll live up to your name and cut a check. The car and the color(s) look much better in person, just make sure to go with the CF roof and maybe a color other than black. Catch a flight to Spartanburg SC and check out all of the colors in person. I'm still grinning.

It sounds awesome. You have to hear it open up in sport mode. So much fun.

Haha. The name started out as a joke but thanks for your advice. I will go talk to my dealer about it, and if they're not gonna get one soon I might just drive up to munich, it's like a 5h drive from where I live.

4UKCATS · 08-02-2014, 06:17 AM

The bottom line is that you can't even start this thread without having seen and driven the car. I had an e90 sport pkg and now have an f10 loaded msport with DHP. I also ordered and just had delivered for my mother in law a new 4 series vert with msport. I drove all cars back to back and I have huge M4 envy. It doesn't look like the regular 4 and it certainly doesn't drive like it. It's a completely different car in every respect and it is pointless to discuss its finer points unless you also drive it. Makes my msport f10 seem like a whale in comparison.

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M3guy3 Captain 131 Rep 690 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: May 2014 Location: Michigan iTrader: (0)	i am not a huge fan of the looks, nor the F30. A As far as sound goes, that totally personal opinion. although i agree its not a very good sound car. At least compared to the old V8.
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clar Major 144 Rep 1,440 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Singapore iTrader: (0)	M3/4 is nothing like its series production cousin. The amount of R&D and changes put into the car is prob the most among all M cars! M is in the driving, not how it looks or tune potential. This current generation of M3/4 is significantly better suited for the track right out of the factory compared to prev generations. Drive one first before making any judgement. I drove the M4 and loved it a lot! Planning to trade my M5 for a M3 if I could sort out the logistics of loosing the M5 first. I already know what they will do in the comp package: A faster and sharper steering rack to start with. Not much to change for the suspension in my opinion and power is adequate too... __________________ - Frozen Grey F10 M5 DCT - Rosso Corsa 458 Speciale Sold - Frozen Grey E92 M3 Sold
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ybbiz34 Brigadier General 670 Rep 4,959 Posts Drives: 2023 330i M Sport Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (1)	I have driven all three cars and have owned two of them (C63 and M Sport F30 335i w/ entire M Performance catalog). In comparison to the M Sport F30 335i w/ M Performance parts (a great car/setup, no doubt), the M4 feels like a completely different animal. The M4 has heavier, more communicative steering; substantially less body roll; a firmer suspension; seemingly infinitely more traction; a better transmission (ZF 8-speed Sport Auto. is good but the DCT is noticeably better/faster); more aggressive engine/exhaust notes; and a lot more power/torque (to name a few things). The brakes on the M4 felt similar to those on my F30 only because my F30 had the M Performance Big Brake Kit (which utilized the F80/F82 standard calipers). The standard M4 brakes are phenomenal. My C63 has outstanding brakes (6-piston fixed front, 4-piston fixed rear setup; seriously big hardware) and the M4's 4/2 F/R fixed setup felt equally as impressive. In sum, the M4 and the C63 are in a league of their own. They're rawer, more exciting, more focused, more demanding on the driver, and noticeably sharper all-around. If you're someone that drives his car hard on the road and attends occasional track days, you will unequivocally be able to distinguish between the performance of the M4 and the 335i or the C63 and the 335i. If you mostly cruise around in Comfort mode, you'll probably be just fine with the 435i or 335i. __________________ Current: '23 G20 M Sport 330i Current: '20 X253 GLC300 SUV Gone: '20 W205 C43 Sedan Gone: '18 W205 C43 Sedan Gone: '13 W204 C63 Sedan
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4UKCATS Private First Class 120 Rep 154 Posts Drives: 2016 BMW M4 Jubilee Silver Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Cincinnati iTrader: (0)	The bottom line is that you can't even start this thread without having seen and driven the car. I had an e90 sport pkg and now have an f10 loaded msport with DHP. I also ordered and just had delivered for my mother in law a new 4 series vert with msport. I drove all cars back to back and I have huge M4 envy. It doesn't look like the regular 4 and it certainly doesn't drive like it. It's a completely different car in every respect and it is pointless to discuss its finer points unless you also drive it. Makes my msport f10 seem like a whale in comparison.
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