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Every other R congressman should have yielded their time to Jordan. He’s a fast talking, machine gun pit bull and cuts down opponents.
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Every other R congressman should have yielded their time to Jordan. He’s a fast talking, machine gun pit bull and cuts down opponents.
Maybe bright lights and loud noises are all that is required to hypnotize the weak minded, but I've been dealing with these types my entire career. They are mostly just projecting confidence. Fake it till you make it. Pretend to be strong and people with think you are strong. This is boiler room yuppie BS.

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A liar to your face will reveal less truth than someone behind the curtain.

Incase the meaning escapes you:

If a liar lies to you, then you learn a falsehood. If the liar confides the truth to someone else and that person reveals that truth to you, then you learn the truth.
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A liar to your face will reveal less truth than someone behind the curtain.

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If a liar lies to you, then you learn a falsehood. If the liar confides the truth to someone else and that person reveals that truth to you, then you learn the truth.
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A liar to your face will reveal less truth than someone behind the curtain.

Incase the meaning escapes you:

If a liar lies to you, then you learn a falsehood. If the liar confides the truth to someone else and that person reveals that truth to you, then you learn the truth.
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So three or four times removed hearsay must be the holy grail of evidence! Nothing Trumps that
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If a liar lies to you, then you learn a falsehood. If the liar confides the truth to someone else and that person reveals that truth to you, then you learn the truth.
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A liar to your face will reveal less truth than someone behind the curtain.

Incase the meaning escapes you:

If a liar lies to you, then you learn a falsehood. If the liar confides the truth to someone else and that person reveals that truth to you, then you learn the truth.
oh, okay whatever you tell yourself to get through the day
Lol enlightening response.
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A liar to your face will reveal less truth than someone behind the curtain.

Incase the meaning escapes you:

If a liar lies to you, then you learn a falsehood. If the liar confides the truth to someone else and that person reveals that truth to you, then you learn the truth.
Not in politics - the person “confiding” is usually doing so to advance their own position or point of view.

Personally, I think it all comes down to if there was an attempt to cover it up as in Watergate and Clinton’s impeachment. Bill getting a BJ in the Oval Office was of poor character and judgement, but it was the obstruction and lies that put it over the top. Same with Nixon.

In any case, it’ll be an interesting constitutional test as to whether an administration can carry out an investigation against a candidate running for President.

Like I said, I don’t particularly like either side. I’m a fiscal conservative with somewhat liberal/libertarian social views. I don’t fit in a box and I don’t trust the media any longer since they all seem to have a horse in the race and have given up on any remote appearance of impartiality
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A liar to your face will reveal less truth than someone behind the curtain.

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If a liar lies to you, then you learn a falsehood. If the liar confides the truth to someone else and that person reveals that truth to you, then you learn the truth.
Not in politics - the person "confiding" is usually doing so to advance their own position or point of view.

Personally, I think it all comes down to if there was an attempt to cover it up as in Watergate and Clinton's impeachment. Bill getting a BJ in the Oval Office was of poor character and judgement, but it was the obstruction and lies that put it over the top. Same with Nixon.

In any case, it'll be an interesting constitutional test as to whether an administration can carry out an investigation against a candidate running for President.

Like I said, I don't particularly like either side. I'm a fiscal conservative with somewhat liberal/libertarian social views. I don't fit in a box and I don't trust the media any longer since they all seem to have a horse in the race and have given up on any remote appearance of impartiality
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A liar to your face will reveal less truth than someone behind the curtain.

Incase the meaning escapes you:

If a liar lies to you, then you learn a falsehood. If the liar confides the truth to someone else and that person reveals that truth to you, then you learn the truth.
Not in politics - the person "confiding" is usually doing so to advance their own position or point of view.

Personally, I think it all comes down to if there was an attempt to cover it up as in Watergate and Clinton's impeachment. Bill getting a BJ in the Oval Office was of poor character and judgement, but it was the obstruction and lies that put it over the top. Same with Nixon.

In any case, it'll be an interesting constitutional test as to whether an administration can carry out an investigation against a candidate running for President.

Like I said, I don't particularly like either side. I'm a fiscal conservative with somewhat liberal/libertarian social views. I don't fit in a box and

I don't trust the media any longer since they all seem to have a horse in the race and have given up on any remote appearance of impartiality
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Personally I'd define "withheld" as being delayed past the deadline the funding had to be distributed by. There's a window of time the Executive Branch has to distribute the funds. This funding was indeed distributed within the allowable period. This isn't even debated. For me the discussion focused specifically on your question starts and ends with the fact that nothing illegal or unauthorized happened in regards to the distribution of this funding.
And apparently, State Department ultimately concluded that the White House didn’t have the standing to hold up the funding

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...mp-says-he-did
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Maybe bright lights and loud noises are all that is required to hypnotize the weak minded, but I've been dealing with these types my entire career. They are mostly just projecting confidence. Fake it till you make it. Pretend to be strong and people with think you are strong. This is boiler room yuppie BS.

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Anyone who didn't vote the corrupt Hillary is dumb, in your opinion. Lol

This hoax is another reminder that the Democrats are still the real enemy of the people and have been since 1861! And still very angry we freed their slaves!

And simply furious with us for voting for Trump and not the single most flawed candidate in the history of the world, who was so bad, she could not even win a rigged election!
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After the hearing today a democratic aide told The Washington Post( the dems own private newspaper) ......

“We’re screwed this week on hearings— no bombshells, no revelations. The onus is on us to wow some people this week”.

Behind the scenes even they know it’s a done deal. Say Good night Gracie
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So three or four times removed hearsay must be the holy grail of evidence! Nothing Trumps that
Read the transcript.

Didn't Trump say:
"They say crowdstrike...........the server. They say Ukraine has it"

"I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good"

" I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly"

All hearsay, and ALL factually inaccurate.
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I don't believe I will be adding any similar memories with Trump
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Personally I'd define "withheld" as being delayed past the deadline the funding had to be distributed by. There's a window of time the Executive Branch has to distribute the funds. This funding was indeed distributed within the allowable period. This isn't even debated. For me the discussion focused specifically on your question starts and ends with the fact that nothing illegal or unauthorized happened in regards to the distribution of this funding.
And apparently, State Department ultimately concluded that the White House didn't have the standing to hold up the funding

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...mp-says-he-did
Your post doesn't contradict my point. The funding wasn't "held up" by my definition of the phrase. The Executive Branch has a window of time to distribute the funding; and the funding was distributed before the deadline. The President is required to provide the funding by date certain; and it was. This simply is a non issue.

This is akin to the President receiving a bill on Nov 1, paying it on Nov 10, when the due date is Nov 15. Democrats want to call it corrupt that he didn't pay the bill when he received it... but he did pay it before the due date. This is why the President's act doesn't fit my definition of being held up. I wouldn't say I "held up" paying a bill when I indeed paid the bill before the due date.

Democrats can't say there's a violation when the funding was paid within the period allowed. That's my only point here.
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CNN’s Toobin: neither witness “had direct contact with the president…that’s a problem”

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So the state of New York didn't just throw a 2 million dollar penalty at him? What's false, please explain.
He didn't steal money from a charity, for starters. But keep trying.
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Your post doesn't contradict my point. The funding wasn't "held up" by my definition of the phrase. The Executive Branch has a window of time to distribute the funding; and the funding was distributed before the deadline. The President is required to provide the funding by date certain; and it was. This simply is a non issue.

This is akin to the President receiving a bill on Nov 1, paying it on Nov 10, when the due date is Nov 15. Democrats want to call it corrupt that he didn't pay the bill when he received it... but he did pay it before the due date. This is why the President's act doesn't fit my definition of being held up. I wouldn't say I "held up" paying a bill when I indeed paid the bill before the due date.

Democrats can't say there's a violation when the funding was paid within the period allowed. That's my only point here.
If we knew nothing of the events that transpired between those dates, I would agree with you. However, we know exactly what was going on and why the aid was being held up. It's in the President's own words on the transcript he released himself.

Additionally, the timeline points to the funds being paid only after the WH got wind of the whistleblower claim.

Here's something very telling to me: If the WH was so confident they were doing the right thing by withholding the funds, why not keep withholding them? If it's because they were "rooting out corruption in Ukraine," that's not a notion that was resolved in the weeks between when they were supposed to release the funds and when they did release them. If you believe what you're doing is right, stand behind it and make a statement saying so. The President did not ask for the Ukrainian government to investigate corruption, he asked them to SAY they were investigating Biden. Only. Isn't that just a little curious? That's the only investigation he wants?

It's crystal clear to anyone without a political bias what was happening. Not one person who has testified, publicly or privately, has corroborated the WH sequence of events. Even those who thought they were helping to bolster the WH angle have admitted they were, in fact, holding up the aid.
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