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      10-25-2019, 09:31 AM   #133
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I just put a 2020 530e on order--hoping to get it before the Trump tariffs on German cars. I wonder if the new grills on the LCI will help the 2020 hold value?
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I just put a 2020 530e on order--hoping to get it before the Trump tariffs on German cars. I wonder if the new grills on the LCI will help the 2020 hold value?
New grills or not, your resale value will drop just like any other BMW. The statements of resale value holding would effect cars with more special/desirable features like transmission or engine choices, such as older M cars
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I just put a 2020 530e on order--hoping to get it before the Trump tariffs on German cars. I wonder if the new grills on the LCI will help the 2020 hold value?
New grills or not, your resale value will drop just like any other BMW. The statements of resale value holding would effect cars with more special/desirable features like transmission or engine choices, such as older M cars
Used car values are just an opinion pure and simple. At the end of the day, it is what the market is willing to bear.
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Used car values are just an opinion pure and simple. At the end of the day, it is what the market is willing to bear.
Exactly. No doubt that the 2020 will lose value. Will it lose value more slowly than might otherwise be the case in the years after the LCI and before the "next" model. I don't know, nor do I expect anyone will know, now. What I do know is that I ordered the 2020, rather than waiting for the LCI, because I don't want bigger grills and it seems inevitable that the 2021 will have them.
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Difficult to tell exactly what's going on under the camo. Is the new grille bigger than the current version?
If it is, that's my G30 LCI order down the pan.
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Difficult to tell exactly what's going on under the camo. Is the new grille bigger than the current version?
If it is, that's my G30 LCI order down the pan.
Too lazy to search old articles, but everything I remember reading is that the grill will be a little larger. Not 7-series large (proportionally to the 5), but larger than current 5. Updated front lights and rear fascia of course.

I'm in the same boat, the 2020 might be the sweet spot of pre-LCI + new engine. Waiting to see more.
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Difficult to tell exactly what's going on under the camo. Is the new grille bigger than the current version?
If it is, that's my G30 LCI order down the pan.
Too lazy to search old articles, but everything I remember reading is that the grill will be a little larger. Not 7-series large (proportionally to the 5), but larger than current 5. Updated front lights and rear fascia of course.

I'm in the same boat, the 2020 might be the sweet spot of pre-LCI + new engine. Waiting to see more.
I'm thinking it will be somewhat close to the size of the pre-lci 7er
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I'm thinking it will be somewhat close to the size of the pre-lci 7er
I could see that



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I'm thinking it will be somewhat close to the size of the pre-lci 7er
I could see that



so potentially not TOO bad - by that I mean, not catastrophic, unlike this....
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Updated October 30, 2019

Here is the most revealing look yet at the LCI G30 5 Series. As you can see in the comparison photo, the kidney grilles will grow just a bit in size, but not substantially so.

Most revealing look yet at LCI G30 5 Series


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Thank god the huge grill craziness isn't everywhere at BMW
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They should take design cues from the 7 series.
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so potentially not TOO bad - by that I mean, not catastrophic, unlike this....
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They should take design cues from the 7 series.


Sigh... no.. they should not.
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I am not a fan of the 5 series grille and think that the LCI grille might actually end up being better proportioned...

Of course I may end up eating my words when we get the full reveal!😄
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Hmm. Maybe BMW is realizing the catastrophic mistake of these ridiculous large grills? Or not.

Either way, designing your cars for the Chinese market only is a terrible idea IMHO. Alienating the rest of the world to cater to China is a losing strategy. BMW cannot survive with the Chinese market alone.
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I am sure the sales gone go up
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Hmm. Maybe BMW is realizing the catastrophic mistake of these ridiculous large grills? Or not.

Either way, designing your cars for the Chinese market only is a terrible idea IMHO. Alienating the rest of the world to cater to China is a losing strategy. BMW cannot survive with the Chinese market alone.[/QUOTE]
I don't truly buy this Chinese market thing, 5 series LWB is a staple mid level manager car in China, if large grill is actually what Chinese market want 5 series is definitely going to get it...
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Hmm. Maybe BMW is realizing the catastrophic mistake of these ridiculous large grills? Or not.

Either way, designing your cars for the Chinese market only is a terrible idea IMHO. Alienating the rest of the world to cater to China is a losing strategy. BMW cannot survive with the Chinese market alone.
Why everybody think they represent everyone else's taste?
Didn't 7 series sales go up after big grill? Doesn't X7 selling well?
Yes, and Yes. Big grills look much better and they are the new design trend.
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Hmm. Maybe BMW is realizing the catastrophic mistake of these ridiculous large grills? Or not.

Either way, designing your cars for the Chinese market only is a terrible idea IMHO. Alienating the rest of the world to cater to China is a losing strategy. BMW cannot survive with the Chinese market alone.
Why everybody think they represent everyone else's taste?
Didn't 7 series sales go up after big grill? Doesn't X7 selling well?
Yes, and Yes. Big grills look much better and they are the new design trend.
7 series sales went up? Well what do you think happens when you give $20k off MSRP? They had to discount the crap out of it to sell it.

The X7 has nothing to compare it to since it's a new vehicle in the BMW lineup. It is also the only 7 seater in the line up. I don't think the bigger grills had anything to do with it. One could argue with smaller grills it would have sold more than it has since it was released.

But wait there's more.

The new M4 with an even larger grill is absolutely taking it too far. I don't think its going to sell like the last generation.

Yeah I said it!
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And M4 is definitely not targeted at the Chinese market..., the staple for Chinese market at new manager level is 3 series LWB...
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Ahhhhh thank you bimmergods. I like this latest peek at the LCI. What a relief that it is just a subtle tweak and not a bulbous growth.
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