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Here is my dilemma. I currently have an E46 M3. The Supra should have very similar hp to the M3 while the M3 should offer better driving experience. Why should I sell my M3 and get the Supra? The only reason I can think of is better reliability since I am hesitant to take the M3 for a long trip.
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Also I'm not saying the BMW engine is bad, BMW has been putting out great engines as of late. |
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And you will get a brand new car (as you mention reliability). So the main negative part is the price I guess, not counting the fact that many will probably argue that the E46 M3 is a better looking car.
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And an STI only makes 310 in 2019
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You realize the NSX and GTR are not even the same class of car as the Supra right?
The Supra's class and competition was : 300ZX / 3000GT / RX7 The GTR & NSX were a level above as far as class of car.
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03-10-2019, 06:48 AM | #473 |
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Not to mention that all Japanese hot rods made "280hp" for a very, very long time due to legal and insurance regs that forced them to under-report true output.
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And yet those two 'level above' cars had less power then the supra. Now the supra has been left far, far behind by the cars it once surpassed. I think it's a relevant point.
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Well the NSX was more of an exotic, Horsepower wasnt its biggest feature ( It was naturally aspirated ) While the GTR was listed as 280hp that was due to a Japanese law for cars in Japan. The Supra in America was 320hp but the GTR in Japan was also known to dyno over 280WHP ( 320hp or more in reality ).
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So while the M3 looks better - subjective, the Supra will likely drive better - except steering feel. So keeping the M3 would save you money initially, which some of it you'll spend on maintenance eventually... |
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By the way, what's the weight of the Supra? Last edited by WestRace; 03-11-2019 at 01:37 PM.. |
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IDK, just my experience, others will vary. I'm also at about 3700 ft. elevation in the TX summer so that hurts performance of an N/A motor as well. I think they are about 3400-ish lbs. which is right around the neighborhood of the M3. I believe my M3 was quoted at about 3415 lbs. with the SMG, manuals are a little lighter. |
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Or would the fanbase rather they put in a V-6 from their run of the mill cars? Anyone suggesting that Toyota should have built a bespoken engine for the new Supra is smoking crack.
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There's a reason why the B58 appears in nearly EVERY SINGLE BMW line-up. There's a reason why the INLINE 6 architecture has been in BMW's family of engines since the beginning of time. The engine is the HEART of a car. It is by far and away the most complex part of any moving vehicle that uses the internal combustion process. There's a reason why cars with bespoke engines typically cost north of 6 figures, and the first of those 6 figures don't usually start with a 1. Anyone thinking that the new Supra is going to be a commercial success at $200,000 plus is also smoking crack. Name me another car, in HISTORY of cars, that has had a brand new, completely designed from the ground up engine, that does not use some sort of existing architecture that the company already use.
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