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      10-17-2013, 12:23 PM   #1
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In order to keep it from becoming bloated with old discussion, responses to the Future BMW model information thread older than two years are periodically relocated here.
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      10-17-2013, 01:21 PM   #2
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I'm surprised that they decided to use almost the same engine for the new x5m/x6m. Sad that bmw m can't make a new engine for every new body style anymore. Also by auto, does that mean dct or just a regular automatic or both? It seems like both but just want to be 100 percent.
It's not the same engine exactly. E70 X5M uses the O0 revision, F10 M5 uses T0, and F85/F86 will come with T2, so I would expect about 10hp/10lbs bump. This is in line with F15 using the same engines as E70, benefiting instead from lighter weight and improved drivetrain. And it's been the norm for a very long time now for BMW to use the same engine with minor variations in many different models.

No idea what kind of transmission will be there - the source doesn't specify that.
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      10-17-2013, 03:14 PM   #3
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What's the F45?
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      10-17-2013, 03:36 PM   #4
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What's the F45?
BMW Sport Active Tourer, the dreaded compact FWD car built on the new Mini platform.
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      10-19-2013, 09:40 PM   #5
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I've just found the September copy of the same data and edited the original post.

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- F30 LCI
- F48 (new X1)
- F54
- G11/G12
- F15 X5 28i engine (ridiculous, in my opinion)
- F45 220i

And something close to the final confirmation that some US F31 and F34 RWD versions that existed in development are not making it to production (basically, whoever's been waiting for non-sedan RWD 3 series to come to the US - my advice is to give up).

F20 LCI (not listed here since it's EU only) and F30 LCI give us a good view into BMW's plans for the transition to B-series engines. It seems that, for a given displacement, the higher-output versions of the current engines will continue, while their lower-output versions will be replaced. So, for F30 LCI we'll have 320i with B48 and 335i with B58, but 328i will continue with N20/26. F20 M135i, having the higher output version of N55, will continue with it (just like N20 125i and N13 118i), while most other F20s will transition to B37/B38/B47. Based on G11/12, there's also no 8-cylinder engine in B-series lineup yet, so N63 is also staying.

F48 X1 is confirmed to be FWD (US is xDrive only, but EU will get FWD).

There's a whole new range of new production code designations for F06/12/13, I'm not clear what this is about yet.

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      12-06-2013, 03:57 PM   #6
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- F15 X5 28i engine (ridiculous, in my opinion)
This one is actually more interesting than I thought. It's the xDrive40E model. N20 motor with "40e" designation seems to suggest that the F15 will be a deeper hybrid with a larger electric motor than the existing ActiveHybrid models.

One more thing I only noticed just now: there's no model type reservation for US market F31 LCI RWD. This is the final nail in the coffin for our hopes to get a RWD wagon.
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      12-06-2013, 04:06 PM   #7
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This one is actually more interesting than I thought. It's the xDrive40E model. N20 motor with "40e" designation seems to suggest that the F15 will be a deeper hybrid with a larger electric motor than the existing ActiveHybrid models.

One more thing I only noticed just now: there's no model type reservation for US market F31 LCI RWD. This is the final nail in the coffin for our hopes to get a RWD wagon.
The X1 is outselling the F31 by a considerable margin. The new X1 arrives around the same time as the LCI F31. Expect a shift in priorities.
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The X1 is outselling the F31 by a considerable margin. The new X1 arrives around the same time as the LCI F31. Expect a shift in priorities.
Should this make me happy? Shift of priorities from RWD wagons to FWD tall CUV? Is this a Toyota forum?

The current X1, on the other hand, is a brilliant car. Its only problem is it's much smaller on the inside than F31.
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Should this make me happy? Shift of priorities from RWD wagons to FWD tall CUV? Is this a Toyota forum?

The current X1, on the other hand, is a brilliant car. Its only problem is it's much smaller on the inside than F31.
Ynguldyn, thanks for this interesting post.

Can you distinguish the 435GC according to the data? If yes, does it look like it will also get the N55 engine vs B58?
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Ynguldyn, thanks for this interesting post.

Can you distinguish the 435GC according to the data? If yes, does it look like it will also get the N55 engine vs B58?
I just saw that you in fact listed F36, not F32, which would mean the GC would get the N55 also according to your list.
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The X1 is outselling the F31 by a considerable margin. The new X1 arrives around the same time as the LCI F31. Expect a shift in priorities.
Should this make me happy? Shift of priorities from RWD wagons to FWD tall CUV? Is this a Toyota forum?

The current X1, on the other hand, is a brilliant car. Its only problem is it's much smaller on the inside than F31.
Exactly why we bought the X1 over the F31. The current 3er is too large for our desires. A 2GC would go a long way towards making me want another BMW.
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      12-28-2013, 07:41 PM   #12
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The X1 is outselling the F31 by a considerable margin. The new X1 arrives around the same time as the LCI F31. Expect a shift in priorities.
And the X1 is RWD and cost approx $15k less, once optionned. What a surprise that it sells in larger volumes, its a bargain (or more precisely, the F31 is a robbery, that's why I don't currently own one). Now if the next X1 is FW, what makes it better than the CX5 or any random japanese thing with the "premium" package is not very clear. Meanwhile the F31 is expected to remain priced to not-sale.
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Interesting F30 LCI will be one of the first real tastes of the longitudinal applications for the new modular 0.5l cylinder engine design if the chart can be believed.

We bought an f34 instead of f31 for more space and the n55. Not surprising if the RWD option is being dropped, most people want to never think about breaking traction. Though it is possible to break traction in our xDrive f34, you have to try pretty hard
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The X1 is outselling the F31 by a considerable margin. The new X1 arrives around the same time as the LCI F31. Expect a shift in priorities.
And the X1 is RWD and cost approx $15k less, once optionned. What a surprise that it sells in larger volumes, its a bargain (or more precisely, the F31 is a robbery, that's why I don't currently own one). Now if the next X1 is FW, what makes it better than the CX5 or any random japanese thing with the "premium" package is not very clear. Meanwhile the F31 is expected to remain priced to not-sale.
+1 BMW doesn't want the F31 to sell well. They want people buying the more profitable X3.
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B48 engine in the 320i? Will this be a ~200 hp engine? Do we know anything about the B-series engines yet?
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The interesting thing about 2014 is it is all about product, product that sells , product that is established and product that will appeal to new and existing customers.

Starting with the NAIAS will be the World Premiere of the BMW M3 and M4 Coupe and the BMW 2er Coupe.

For Geneva in March we will see the launch of the BMW 4er Gran Coupe and the first FWD BMW the 2er Active Tourer.

In April will be the joint World Premiere at the NYIAS and Leipzig show in Germany of the new BMW X4 and revised BMW X3.

Leipzig will also introduce another European model.

A new Concept car will be unveiled in April prior to the Beijing Auto show this years destination for the Auto China event.

The villa d'este will see an example of further design collaboration.

Making its premiere in one of its largest markets will be the all new BMW X6 Sports Activity Coupe at the Moscow Auto show in August.

On the a Road to Paris the new 2er Cabrio will Premiere in the city of lights as will two new M models.
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      12-30-2013, 02:15 PM   #17
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Ynguldyn, thanks for this interesting post.

Can you distinguish the 435GC according to the data? If yes, does it look like it will also get the N55 engine vs B58?
What engine is the B58?
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What engine is the B58?
3.0L replacement for the N55.
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      12-30-2013, 02:33 PM   #19
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B48 engine in the 320i? Will this be a ~200 hp engine? Do we know anything about the B-series engines yet?
It's the same engine as the recently unveiled F56 Mini Cooper S, 189bhp/207lb-ft.
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On the a Road to Paris the new 2er Cabrio will Premiere in the city of lights as will two new M models.
that would be the X5M and the X6M LCI's, right?

is that 4erGC going to get an M treatment Scott?
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that would be the X5M and the X6M LCI's, right?
Two new M-models likely means F82 M4 Cabrio and F85 X5M.

X6M LCI came out last year.
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      12-30-2013, 03:39 PM   #22
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Very interesting info...does anyone know when we should expect the F30 LCI??
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