[instalher]

hey guys, i want an opinion on those who used to drive last gen 5s and now have the new g30, iam looking on bmws web site and sleezebay, for a new ride.. I want to move up in refinement so the 5 is, in my opinion, a very good upgrade, a quiet comfortable ride is my main goal not performance, and I use Michelin xice tires for winter so xdrive is not high on my priority list..
looking over a new g30 specd to my liking with pdi, freight, taxes, admin, fees ect. is 70k out the door. I have looked all over Canada and no used ones yet, but I can find a low mileage 2016 5 very very well equipped for less money. My question to you is this..... Is the new g30 worth everypenny you pay? is it really THAT much better than a 2016?? I commute 30000 km a yr so comfort is paramount.. but 10000 dollars difference just to get into a new model might not be worth it.... please advise.

[AP]

I think as you say a move up in refinement, then yes the new 5 is a step up in that direction.
Is it worth the extra only you can answer that.

Got for a test drive and you will have your answer but be prepared to want to buy a new 5!

That's what I did and I was sold.

The spec you choose seems to be the key as to the refinement and ride you will get.
I changed from diesel (530d) to petrol (540i) and for me that was a large chunk of that increase in refinement. The general quietness of the cabin is also noticeable.
As to ride comfort, you obviously have a choice of size of wheel and whether to go for SE, Msport or VDC. If you want a smooth side then SE or VDC would seem to be the obvious options. (If you want a msport car at least in the UK you can delete the msport suspension and have the SE instead , not sure if that's the case in Canada).

The new 5 is a bit more expensive than the outgoing 5 but it does include some items that were options previously, so I guess its better value if you previously specced those before.

So in summary if you are in a position to afford a new 5 , then go and test drive one. If not, then don't (cos' you'll want one otherwise!)

I'm sure you've read the reviews on this forums, there are quite a few - I di done myself (plug).

[TreyWaters]

Just need to preface, but these are just my opinions. Others will definitely vary, so I'm hoping others chime in, too.

Without knowing the particulars of your $10k difference comparison (and your $70k G30 figure), it's hard to make a judgement call.

First, if $70k is based off of MSRP, I'd say you've got quite a bit of wiggle room there for easy negotiation. Probably ca. $3-4k; maybe more? (Others with more experience can comment here). So, that narrows your gap.

Also, does your used car comparison come with CPO warranty? If so, that starts to lean my needle towards used. If not, my needle swings way back to new...just based off of price difference. Without a CPO warranty, I would want the used car to be a minimum of 20% lower than new to justify used car purchase. With CPO brings me closer to 10% or so, simply because many CPO warranties would give you more coverage than a new car warranty.

What I mean by that is:
New car warranty - 4 years
CPO warranty - extra 2 years
So, You buy the car new, you get 4 years coverage. You buy 1 year old with CPO, you get ~5 years coverage. Another thing to keep in mind, too, is BMW has 2 different CPO levels. One just extends by 1 year, and I think the other extends by 2. So, watch for that, too.

Just some of my thoughts.

[babaikram]

Moved from Pre LCI 520d SE to G30 520d MSport.

LCI F10 520D and G30 520D share the same engine B47. Pre LCI F10 has N47 engine with the notorious timing chain problem. I suffered one myself.

G30 530D is a new engine compared to F10 535D engine but I do not have personal experience.

Suspension more comfortable than F10 i.e. G30 MSport suspension more comfortable than standard F10 SE suspension, infotainment system vastly superior to F10s (no comparison here), quieter than F10, no throttle lag compared to F10, LED headlight standard for all trims. Though this is subjective the interior feels and look more modern and luxurious than F10, steering feel is better especially in Sport mode and less engine noise in G30

However I think F10 MSport front end looks more aggressive than G30 MSport.

Specs for specs F10 should only be 50% to 70% of G30 regarding price

[w4termelon]

I wouldn't buy the old model when a new model is out, even for that "small" price difference (compared to the total price) because you will loose more money on an old model when you will want to sell it.

[Motorboat411]

G30 is miles ahead of F10 in every way i.e. comfort, fuel-economy, power, luxury, design and tech. Even features that were available on F10 have been improved e.g. M-Sport Suspension (doesn't crash anymore), HK sound system, HUD, Side/Top view cameras.

Just go ahead with G30, you won't regret it at all.

[r33_RGSport]

G30 is better in all of aspects compared to the F10.
The suspension is better. Engine is new design where uses less fuel while giving more power.
Interior seats quality is better in looks and comfort. Gadgets are the latest in the market.
That's all I can think for now.

The bad thing, the material used in the interior is cheaper. The plastic panel, especially the dash, it uses the plastic where it contract and expand a lot under heat and cooling.
That's what I can find after 4 months of ownership.

[instalher]

ok thanks guys for the input.... looks like a g30 then, better specs, better trade in value, more options, better ride.. I can save for a couple more months to afford the price difference.. lol..

[morellomax]

Based on your profile I guess you're into decent in car sounds.... if so, the G30 is a better bet. It is definitely quieter for a given tyre and wheel setup. And the ride quality is definitely better.

HK system sounds better than in the F10, I think. The bass has better extension and less muddiness and cabin resonance around (guessing here) 100-500hz. Maybe the porting of the underseat woofers has been improved, maybe the woofers themselves are better. And the mids now mount rearwards to a fairly rigid plastic inner skin rather than forwards onto the door card. There is definitely less vibration of the door card at high volumes.

HTH

[instalher]

Originally Posted by morellomax

Based on your profile I guess you're into decent in car sounds.... if so, the G30 is a better bet. It is definitely quieter for a given tyre and wheel setup. And the ride quality is definitely better.

HK system sounds better than in the F10, I think. The bass has better extension and less muddiness and cabin resonance around (guessing here) 100-500hz. Maybe the porting of the underseat woofers has been improved, maybe the woofers themselves are better. And the mids now mount rearwards to a fairly rigid plastic inner skin rather than forwards onto the door card. There is definitely less vibration of the door card at high volumes.

HTH

ill get basic basic basic audio system.. I can build a world class sq car for 1/10 the price of any bmw system they throw in.. so the audio is dead last on my list of priorities,,,, its ride comfort, heated messageing seats, quiet cabin, how efficienct the car is, looks of course, then handling, power and sound quality..

[morellomax]

1) If you're in Canada, isn't HK the most basic system offered anyway ?

2) "I can build a world class sq car for 1/10 the price of any bmw system they throw in" - ok, stepping away from the thread now !

[instalher]

I think you can still get the basic 6 spkr package for audio.. NOT 100% sure but I belive so... As far as what the H.K, system or even the b/o system offers, from what I have heard, excellent transients, no lows, no midbass, imaging is poor, dynamics are great, but again power is the main issue. I have done 3 BMW with complete audio upgrades that placed at worlds iasca and usaci, in pro sq. ALL under the cost of the b/o system... There is no oem car EVER to win or place at worlds IASCA OR EMMA OR USACI, so yes this car sounds good but to a certified sq judge and installer for over 20 yrs,, ummmm BMW can keep there money on the audio. lol... The hardest part in making a truly great sounding car is taking all the coloration out of the car and just hear the speakers.. If BMW has made this interior solid with very little wind noise road noise, or panel vibration, then the biggest hurdle has already been accomplished. Choosing better speakers is easy, power is cheap and there are a ton of low cost intergration eqs.

[morellomax]

I think you're changing your statement a bit - less than the cost of the B&O system, yes of course, but "1/10 of the price of any bmw system they throw in", no. Hyperbole is a turn off when people are just trying to be helpful.

The top factory option is now Bowers & Wilkins rather than B&O. Gimmicky illumination still included......

[instalher]

Originally Posted by morellomax

I think you're changing your statement a bit - less than the cost of the B&O system, yes of course, but "1/10 of the price of any bmw system they throw in", no. Hyperbole is a turn off when people are just trying to be helpful.

The top factory option is now Bowers & Wilkins rather than B&O. Gimmicky illumination still included......

agreed, I will retract my statement as you are right,, 1/10th would be less than 500 bucks.. pretty hard to due that for anybody.... I just get so frustrated when these companies charge us stupid money for an adequate sounding system then hype it up as 'better than live" ect... Its a slap in the face to us trying day in and day out to make peoples systems sound better than stock.. Again sorry for the rudeness in my last post..

[morellomax]

No worries. I get pretty annoyed when I think about the cost of the B&O and B&W options

According to etkbmw, cost of a single B&W diamond tweeter for the front door of a G30 is >US$500. Just the tweeter, doesn't even include the crossover !

[instalher]

I would choose the audiofrog, gs10,1 inch tweeter or the focal be tweeter, the audio frog gs40, 4 inch, Rockford shallow dvc 8 for underseat. and I like the shallow Dayton audio dvc 10 or 12 for a sub.. amps lots to choose, way to many good ones.. but two 4 channel amps would be fine.. for eq I would use a ms-8, bit 10, bit 10 or the helix dsp 8, no money left over then buy the mini dsp 4x10.