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I agree, those were absolutely hideous. The 7 had the famous bangle butt, also atrocious..but it was rectified somewhat during the LCI. In general people discounted it but they saw sales increase and the competition copy them on hard chines, and other styling elements. I hate to say it but Audi is even worse than BMW imo, I can hardly tell a a3 from a4 and a4 from a6.
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Nobody is a worse offender than Audi however, as the A8 is one of the most emotionless luxury cars on the road. It is an absolutely forgettable automobile. |
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Can't be worse than the E60. Although personally I still like the F10 the most
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10-02-2016, 01:42 PM | #93 |
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BMW's design language moves at a snails pace these days. The company is very conservative although the odd bit of brilliance like the i8 shines through some dull models.
BMW could always overcome this with exceptional engines compared with the competition but these days Audi and Merc are on a par. Indeed in the performance end the competition is getting ahead on sheer bhp. 395 bhp in the Audi A3 next year and a TTRS matching a 458 to 60 in 3.5 secs!! I love my BMW's but I think they have spread themselves too thinly and it shows in their core products Ultimate Driving Machine? Maybe no longer the case. I hope the new 5 drives better than it looks |
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It is nonsense about the 2000 era BMWs also as they done the job to move BMW ahead of its competitors and bring forth intelligent conversation about design. And it worked. The E60 has the ability to turn heads even today because it still looks fresh. Same goes for the Z4 which is becoming a modern classic. Design was not only pioneering but opinionated. It changed the entire industry. BMW had to change it was a risk, a risk some may never forget about and its a risk no one else today will ever take.
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I am sure we kept a lot of existing customers happy but also gained a hell of a lot of new customers.
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I may be in the minority, but I love the E60. When it came out I wasn't crazy about it, but as time goes on, I really appreciate what the e60 offers. It's such a great car to drive.
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thanks for write up. Looking forward to the new M5 as well!
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I belive there is a reason why "everyone" talks about the E39 era, and not about the E6* age.
The E39 was that good, and it is a classic, then the E6* came along, very different from the old E39. It's safe to say that E6* hasn't aged so well, as it's predessecor, but i think it was a model that was "needed" somehow. At this stage BMW are moving to conservatism again, the E39 fanboys should be happy, not sad. The G3* looks like a baby 7, let's see how it comes out. BMW are playing it carefully these days, next generation perhaps?
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Agreed; but why was this era short?
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That's the internet factor!
It is easy to knock out opinions when you are sitting at home in your jammies. Trolls and all that.
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Comparison tests to my self and others do not matter especially when driven by a "personality" and especially when a sneezing panda could do a better job and gain a wider audience. Today comparison tests are driven by advertising more than marketing. Which is why BMW do a lot of internal advertising especially by launching the new 5er as the key car in the return of the next cycle of BMW Films series. In regards to no one cares? BMW like other businesses have to adapt to an ever changing industry, therefore technology and drivetrain technology are very much at the forefront now of how cars are developed. Drivers habits change as does preference. The 5er might be called a mini 7er but what's starts at the top filters downwards in regard to the expectant customer who wants those features. The F10 is still the best in its class as the business class mid-level sedan. Its success is down entirely to be all things competent as does the 3er. Our key volume markets are driven by the need to be competent in those segments. The new 5er and its ability to remain competent is very much apparent. It has a wide range of abilities to keep the car at the forefront of today's requirements. Whether you are a driver,gadget admirer or even someone that uses the car for the long distance business trips city to city via the Autobahn. Then the 5er will be the car you expect it to be in every guise from the 520d to the 540i even the 540e. Of course performance will not be ignored in the M550,M550d,M550e and of course the all new M5. And depending on where you are in the world? A new 5er Touring. The new 7er is no way blah to drive. Its very dynamic, direct and the aid of the Carbon Core makes the car feel smaller than it is. In an S-Klasse the weight becomes apparent. It might not have the S-Klasses refinement. But BMW want owners to drive the 7er not rejuvenate in the back.
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People can say what they want about Bangle...designs under him were ahead of their time.
All you needed to do was look around the auto industry after the E65 and E60 came out to see their design influence on other brands. The so called Bangle Butt of the E65 was adopted in multiple forms by other brands. I had an E60 and got a lot of compliments on it. |
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Others will be influenced by social media especially when looking for the best finance etc Always a worry when corporate people are so defensive usually means the business is under pressure and not in listening mode ! |
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