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BMW M fanboys are offended their luxury car is getting diluted and all about the badge contemplating their next moves to a Tesla. Real motoren werke's enthusiasts look at the engine, chassis and the raw potential across the board M included. |
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M cars are design by bmw M team, M340 isn't............ Unless there no longer is a bmw M team or bmw has changed that development process. Here's what happened, bmw is copying Audi 10 years late like they always do. Audi S4 was competing with 340 in terms of performance and styling, but sheeps buy based on badges and stuff like that so S4 was seen as more status. So bmw upped 340 to M340 - it's that simple |
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01-16-2020, 07:22 PM | #202 |
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People lease a 100k car for 700$ and act if they own a Hypercar because it's a "real" M...
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Having personally owned over 6 BMWs 2 of which were not real M cars and 2 'Real' M cars (M6 and M5 Competition)...there is absolutely no comparison...everything about the M cars are different; engine, transmission, gearing, throttle response, shocks, door panels, the use of aluminum, magnesium, exhaust, the look, the drive, the feel of the cars, the faster you go the better they get especially on a track....these attributes are what makes an M car an M car... never liked all the M badging...anyone who thinks otherwise has never owned an actual M car.
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01-16-2020, 07:25 PM | #204 |
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I could care less about what my badge says, i bought my car for the driving experience, the engine, the transmission, the chassis and the differential. And those fender flares. I'm sort of slightly attracted to those flares.
I've honestly thought about de-badging it, but BMW marketing put so many damn Ms all over the car it would be a lot more work than just ripping the badge off the rear bumper. If BMW wants to put the M badge on their mid-level options, they should do it. Make that cash and then keep building cars with badass engines, RWD and manual transmissions. I don't care what they call them, good cars are good cars. |
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01-16-2020, 07:27 PM | #205 |
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01-16-2020, 07:27 PM | #206 |
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Having owned an M235i and an M4, I can see why BMW did this. It is definitely part marketing ploy and part real. The way I see it is M is a performance car that tries to do all and where on the spectrum is up to the buyer. If you want a performance car that leans more luxury you have the MXXX. If you want less luxury you have the MX and even less luxury and "more" performance there is the competition, etc. BMW did not go the way of Cadillac with making the V series the lowest powered, least performing Vs to date. Bottom line is buy what you like and who really cares. The whole"M" camp is bashing on non M owners seems like some individuals are trying to reassure themselves that their car is ok. In the end no one cares what you drive other than you.
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01-16-2020, 07:29 PM | #207 | |
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I'd much rather own my shit, build it, track it etc than have a $80k + car note with mod costs on top. This is unfortunately the "millennial" world we're in, and it's only going to get worse as creditors seem to be throwing more and more money at people who will never be able to pay down their loans. FWIW, if the F22 wasn't almost identical in size to the E46 M3 and wasn't available with an LSD, I would never have bought it as a long term keeper. But since my build is where it's at, there's currently no base BMW M car that appeals to me enough to move into one at the prices that they're sitting at. What I do lick my lips over is all of the depreciated M3's out there for under $50k CDN, I'd rock one as a DD as opposed to my typical VW counterparts anytime! But I wouldn't go balls into a track build, because you'd basically be redoing everything BMW already did to the car, which is pointless, imo.
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We should just roll right into a 6MT vs DCT debate at this point. Any other hot topics to argue about? Maybe e9x rod bearings? Oil brand or weight.
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Now Audi has really jumped the marketing shark because S Models are now diesels. That’s true market engineering. Slapping a desirable badge on a powertrain nobody really wants.
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I don’t understand the difference here. An M340i is still called an M340i, right? And that press release this morning of “M sales” included the M340i etc... ?
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I really don’t want to get involved in this, but am going to anyways. I don’t really care what they call it but I’m going to throw this out here. Previous to the M2c I had a M235i. It was a fantastic car and owners should be proud of it. But the difference between the M235i and a M2 is significant in terms of driving experience. It’s hard for me to believe that BMW classifies them as the same, but it’s their company. Instead I would suggest drive both (if there is a direct comparison available) and I think you’ll see it’s a vastly different experience.
The important thing is that you get the car that YOU want to drive. Not the car that you want other people to perceive you as. |
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This has no impact on us; our cars don't perform any worse or better since this news broke. The F80 guys are the one who feel cheated, blighted etc and as such are angry.
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Even though I can easily get ANY vehicle from the BMW dealership that I desire, I drive a nicely optioned 330i. There's more to life than just cars. |
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After reading 8 pages, I'd add two points:
1. Even Porsche delineates within range. A base cayman is a very capable car and something many aspire to own. An S (or GTS) is even better. But all are far from a GT4. Porsche GT4 owners aren't threatened by base Cayman owners diluting the car's brand equity. I'd actually argue the opposite - Porsche guys realize the base cars supplement the R&D investment yielding the more extreme variants. 2. I read a lot about model topping cars. Never did the M340 occur to me as anything other than a down-the-value/capability/cost option from an M3. Same thing with the M5 vs the M550. |
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